Cops Laughed After Abusing Woman With Dementia

[nottyboi]

that police department should be embarrassed as this incident clearly shows a lack of training

So what training would you suggest to start? -1. 10 reasons to not beat up Grandma 2. How to not act like the Gestapo. 3. Being a human being 101. 4. Stop being a scumbag!! and most important 5. ALWAY behave like the camera is on you.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

As I am sure people will tell you, this makes you anti-cop.
They have the badge, you have to respect them. Not just respect them, obey them.
Obeying isn't really enough either - you need to comply.

If you do not comply, they have every right to use as much force as necessary to make you comply.

I mean, that's what I've learned from listening to people on the board anyway.

LOL, I totally agree, but I also get the impression that the people who you are referring to on this board never get out of their homes much and have probably never had the chance to have a run-in with a cop -- they're the people who seem to be posting on here 24/7, and that was long before the lockdown started!

 

[Spunky1]

I thought Alzheimer patients across the USA were going to protest. I guess they forgot.

 

[Leimonis]

As I am sure people will tell you, this makes you anti-cop.
They have the badge, you have to respect them. Not just respect them, obey them.
Obeying isn't really enough either - you need to comply.

If you do not comply, they have every right to use as much force as necessary to make you comply.

I mean, that's what I've learned from listening to people on the board anyway.

I would have no problem if they forced her to comply. The problem is that they used more force than necessary, and that they were happy to do so.

 

[Problem_child]

So what training would you suggest to start? -1. 10 reasons to not beat up Grandma 2. How to not act like the Gestapo. 3. Being a human being 101. 4. Stop being a scumbag!! and most important 5. ALWAY behave like the camera is on you.

you nailed it , but in all seriousness if they cannot do their job with some empathy then they are part of the problem....
I find LE in the states way too confrontational and a lot of times for no good reason ,,, but to do that to a senior citizen is wicked/uncalled for and just next level of douchebag

 

[Bbw hunter]

You would think US cops would show more sensitivity to people with dementia, especially now since they have a Commander in Chief who has it.

 

[Leimonis]

You would think US cops would show more sensitivity to people with dementia, especially now since they have a Commander in Chief who has it.

aww these elections must have hurt your feelings!

 

[Male4Strapon]

The police force is going to attract people with a certain mindset, and that mindset is typically aggressive, controlling and largely devoid of empathy. It would not surprise me one bit if psychopaths were over-represented in the police population.

Perfectly said.
Unfortunately this is an unfixable situation IMO. Anyone who has on the career path to being a doctor or scientist (among many other examples) is not going to choose to be a cop instead. Generally speaking the talent pool for a career as a police officer is pretty shallow because it inherently attracts those who don't have better career options. It also attracts the aggressive jock types. To a certain degree that is what the job requires because it takes a "bulletproof" (no pun intended) mentality to go into tense situations with often unpredicatable people.
Raising police salaries won't sway the more educated to choose policing and will only attract even more of what the job already draws but lowering the pay will only draw even worse police who really have no other career options.
It would require a massive commitment to remoulding new cops' mentality as soon as they come on the force. Maybe the first year on the job should be spent in (unarmed) roles that involve more public service such as helping out in mental health facilities, homeless shelters etc..... then they can be better equipped mentally to patrol the streets over time after this level of police training.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

Maybe the first year on the job should be spent in (unarmed) roles that involve more public service such as helping out in mental health facilities, homeless shelters etc..... then they can be better equipped mentally to patrol the streets over time after this level of police training.

This is a recommendation that should be considered. It's apparent that lack of empathy is a huge problem amongst many in police forces. Empathy cannot be taught but, as you say, but if they can see how the other half lives it would provide better insight.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

I went to high school with two guys who became cops. Both were bullies. The police force is going to attract people with a certain mindset, and that mindset is typically aggressive, controlling and largely devoid of empathy. It would not surprise me one bit if psychopaths were over-represented in the police population.

I get it -- police have to deal with a bunch of bullshit on daily basis. I find it irritating when people slag off police just because they're police, but by the same token the idea put forth by some that police should automatically be put on the highest of pedestals is equally stupid.

Police are people, just like everyone else, and respect is to be earned, not automatically granted.

If any of what you've written had any truth to it, there would be far more instances like the one in the video than there actually is.

I think that you envy the two guys from school that became cops because you were unable to make the cut. You need them to be able to point your finger at, because deep down inside you know you could never hack it as a cop.

 

[Problem_child]

because deep down inside you know you could never hack it as a cop.

judging by that video they don’t seem to be very picky on who makes the cut

 

[cowslinger]

You would think US cops would show more sensitivity to people with dementia, especially now since they have a Commander in Chief who has it.

Nope, he lost the election. His idiot followers still can't get over it.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

I think that you envy the two guys from school that became cops because you were unable to make the cut. You need them to be able to point your finger at, because deep down inside you know you could never hack it as a cop.

Ah, yes, the King of Toxic Masculinity bullshit has to come and make his pointless point. Do us all a favour and dry up and blow away. Take TeeJay with you, once he re-emerges.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

Raising police salaries won't sway the more educated to choose policing and will only attract even more of what the job already draws but lowering the pay will only draw even worse police who really have no other career options.
It would require a massive commitment to remoulding new cops' mentality as soon as they come on the force. Maybe the first year on the job should be spent in (unarmed) roles that involve more public service such as helping out in mental health facilities, homeless shelters etc..... then they can be better equipped mentally to patrol the streets over time after this level of police training.

Can't speak for the USA or other locales but most cops in the GTA have a university degree. If by more educated, you mean radiologists, you're right, they won't be swayed from medicine into becoming cops. It can take a year or two or three from successful application to getting hired. Battery of physical and psychological testing, background checks, and so on.

The days of being a scrub and becoming a cop overnight are long gone.

 

[Male4Strapon]

Can't speak for the USA or other locales but most cops in the GTA have a university degree.

Wouldn't that be law enforcement studies?
I am not suggesting cops are dumb by any means (not most anyhow) but just that the empathetic scholarly type of individual generally doesn't look for career as a police officer.

I couldn't find anything on Toronto or even Canada but I did find this https://thehill.com/opinion/crimina...es-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels

Despite research that demonstrates police officers with at least two years of college education are much less likely to be the subject of misconduct complaints, and less likely to use force as their first option to gain compliance, many police and sheriff’s departments still hire recruits with only a high school diploma.

A national survey of 958 police agencies, published in 2017, found that 30.2 percent of police officers had four-year college degrees, 51.8 percent had two-year degrees, and 5.4 percent had graduate degrees. Higher levels of education were concentrated in the Northeast and in wealthier communities. Poorer neighborhoods had a higher proportion of less-educated police. Moreover, this survey covered all police officers, including those who acquired college degrees after joining their departments, typically in order to qualify for promotions.

The true percentage of recruits with fewer than 60 college semester credits is higher than this survey would suggest. Hudgkins references a Bureau of Justice Statistics study in 2003 that found that 83 percent of all U.S. police agencies require a high school diploma, but only 8 percent require some college.

Shockingly, police academy training in most states is less intensive than training required for hair stylists and interior decorators. CNN reported in 2016, “Many trade jobs require more hours of training time to get a license than it takes to get a police badge.” The report noted that police officers in California receive 664 hours of training, while cosmetologists are required to have 1,600 hours of training. In Florida, police receive 770 training hours, but interior designers must take 1,760 hours of training after completing five years of college.

 

[Jenesis]

Have you guys noticed that women resist arrest more than men do?

How did you come to the conclusion????

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

Wouldn't that be law enforcement studies?
I am not suggesting cops are dumb by any means (not most anyhow) but just that the empathetic scholarly type of individual generally doesn't look for career as a police officer.

It could be any number of studies but yeah subjects like criminology, law/legal studies, sociology, psychology are not unusual (a good start at understanding human behavior and the criminal code). They want people that actively participate in the community they hope to serve so volunteer work is looked upon favorably (food banks, big brother programs, etc) and have held jobs where interacting with the general public was fundamental.

Scholarly types are great at what they do - research, innovation, and teaching. When I think of all the academics I've come across, I can't imagine any of them wearing a police uniform and being successful at the job.

 

[Male4Strapon]

It could be any number of studies but yeah subjects like criminology, law/legal studies, sociology, psychology are not unusual (a good start at understanding human behavior and the criminal code). They want people that actively participate in the community they hope to serve so volunteer work is looked upon favorably (food banks, big brother programs, etc) and have held jobs where interacting with the general public was fundamental.

I will gladly be wrong in my earlier assertion if in fact I was. Even the stats I added later, I do wonder how skewed that is to older cops who joined the force when educational requirements might have been lower. I'd be more curious to find educational stats for cops who have been on the force less than 10 years.
FWIW I took a quick peek at Toronto Police's site about becoming an officer and find only that applicants must "have successfully completed at least 4 years of secondary school or equivalent"
perhaps further in the process more specific studies will be revealed but that seems pretty vague. If I have four years of electrician studies for example does that count?

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

I will gladly be wrong in my earlier assertion if in fact I was. Even the stats I added later, I do wonder how skewed that is to older cops who joined the force when educational requirements might have been lower. I'd be more curious to find educational stats for cops who have been on the force less than 10 years.
FWIW I took a quick peek at Toronto Police's site about becoming an officer and find only that applicants must "have successfully completed at least 4 years of secondary school or equivalent"
perhaps further in the process more specific studies will be revealed but that seems pretty vague. If I have four years of electrician studies for example does that count?

In theory, only a high-school diploma is required. I assume this is to keep the door open to people that are well suited but didn't go to college or university. But by and large, those that don't have post-secondary get filtered out.

I agree that requirements/standards have changed drastically. Those that got in when it was easy are nearing retirement now. I think that's typical of most jobs now... you need XYZ certification, degree, training, experience for almost any gig that pays more than minimum wage. But if you were a Boomer, you walked right into that same job without even graduating from high-school in the 70s and 80s.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Nope, he lost the election. His idiot followers still can't get over it.

Oh, so you are saying Biden actually lost the election? And his idiot followers refuse to believe this may have been a stolen election?
Thanks for that!