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France: COVID-19 vaccination now required for cafés, restaurants, and other public spaces

mandrill

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You have the right not to get vaccinated ....... you just can't have a job, can't have a home, can't be out in public and will be publicly ostracized and demeaned by the government at every opportunity. If it's a right, it shouldn't result in one's life being destroyed.

Vaccines aside, why are you ok with being forced to identify yourself everywhere you go? That WILL be abused. Sure, according to the article it's only some card you wave around, but it's only a matter of time before it becomes photo ID and gives confidential/personal information to whatever business you are trying to enter because that's the only way it would be effective.
You realize that France, Germany and the other European countries already have mandatory ID cards, huh?

For about the last 150 years.
 

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This made me think about a skit Tim Minchin did where he said something like "natural medicine that has been scientifically proven is just called medicine" always makes me chuckle.

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IM469

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Never been to France? They protest on a weekly basis just about everything. That was certainly expected.

On the other hand there has never been such a rush to get their shot. They are now seeing record numbers to get vaccinated. So the strategy will work.

I agree. Doug Ford is an idiot. Why on earth should a patent be treated by an unvaccinated health care worker ? Doctors need degrees, as do nurses for the sake of safety to patients. All health workers should be vaccinated.

I don't suggest people should have to get vaccinated but why should I have to take a risk (any level of risk) because of someone else's decision ?? Get a Covid vaccine QR code app. Scanning it doesn't give any personal data other than your vaccination status. I would frequent Vaccinated Only venues (ballgames, cinema, clubs, restaurants) and avoid those with unvaccinated, unhealthy (possibly unwashed) people. My choice / their choice. A simple scan of the QR code by the establishment keeps the establishment safe.

My idea may not have the same impact as France but it does let those who made the effort to be health, stay healthy. On the plus side - think how wonderful to keep all the high risk COVID people in one location.
 

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In all honesty are your seriously comparing these 2 things?

Are you ok?
He is either acting the fool to troll or he is the very opposite of OK. Surely that would be obvious by now.
 
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Hi Jack! Which vaccines will France allow and how do they keep track. There must be about a billion people who have taken the jab of something, but there's about 20 different vaccines worldwide. Sounds fairly overwhelming, esp. for smaller businesses...
 

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There are plenty of opportunities where you can work from home. Hell you can start your own business. No one is taking away your right to earn a salary but employers have the right to determine you cannot work at their place of business if it's unsafe to others.
I'm sure there are many unvaccinated business owners who will be hiring after their staff leave the unsafe workplace they created.
Companies will just fire people; it's already started. Working from home won't be an option. And I could be fully vaccinated and still get sick and spread the virus at the office; not exactly "safe".

Can't pay the bills if you get fired. Also, do you advocate vaccine restrictions for apartments and condos? That would prevent some people from entering their homes.

Not true, sadly.
You are correct. There's the sidewalk and the park, until that gets restricted.

Again, not true.
I have seen politicians talk shit in the media.

What right is being infringed upon? If someone doesn't want to be vaccinated they are more than entitled to exercise that right.
You say that, yet you advocate for people to be punished severely for exercising that right. How people not being forced to get the vaccine again?

I show my ID whenever it's legitimately called for. My driver's license not only has my address and photo but it shows that I wear glasses. I make purchases online. I have social media profiles. You can find out more about me from my Facebook or LinkedIn than you would on my dose receipt. If someone wants to know what dose I received, I will be happy to tell them and to encourage them to do the same if they havent been.
If anyone believes that businesses would use your information for data collection, it bewilders me that they don't accept the likelihood that might ALREADY. Nowadays personal info is not that hard to come by if someone is motivated to find it.
A vaccine passport isn't going to tell your local Home Depot that you broke your arm in 2007 or had herpes in 2011. It's not going to divulge your turn-ons or what folder you have your computer porn saved on. I really think this belief that a vaccine passport will suddenly take away your privacy is extreme.
Yes each of us has some info that is publicly available if someone wanted to look for it. But do you have to provide any/all of that in order to buy groceries? No you don't, nor should you.
Regarding what IM469 said, if the pass is just a QR code and no personal info/photo is seen or recorded, then several people using the same code could enter a business, making the whole process pointless. My point was that businesses and the government will wisen up to that, then the process will become much more strict and private info will be demanded/stored. That would also make a great target for hackers.
 

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Regarding what IM469 said, if the pass is just a QR code and no personal info/photo is seen or recorded, then several people using the same code could enter a business, making the whole process pointless. My point was that businesses and the government will wisen up to that, then the process will become much more strict and private info will be demanded/stored. That would also make a great target for hackers.
This is just me thinking, thinking (the quality of which could be a subject for another debate) but I would approach it two fold. For elderly or those more comfortable with a printed registration, a photo ID based on your existing driver license photo similar to your drivers / OHIP and other government ID.

The QR Code App would not be fixed - the displayed QR code would change according to a mathematical formula based on (example) the date and your ID number. It would only be valid that interval of time and then the QR is changed and the previous one invalid. A central data centre verifies the code (reverses the algorithm) to the ID and sends back "Yes" or 'No'. The same app could also verify a QR code allowing you the freedom of choosing with whom you associate. This is a health issue and you should be able to make your own choices for your risk level - not politicians - not anti-vaccs. Additionally, simple fraud routines used for your debit and credit cards would pick off multiple requests.

I'm not a programmer but I'm sure an easy and highly secure method is not rocket science for today's technology.

This would be voluntary. You don't want to get vaccinated - your choice. However, if you expect me to incur additional health risk because of your decision - fuck you.
 
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In all honesty are your seriously comparing these 2 things?

Are you ok?
You and the rest of the reincarnated Nazi’s in this thread are obviously unable to recognize that the Holocaust began with Jews being unable to attend many aspects of society with that yellow star designation, much the same that a person who chooses not to take THIS jab are lazily labelled as “anti-vaxxers” by the sheeple. These are pro-choice people, many well educated and successful.

Fast forward to 2021, and it may yet be another “papers please” two tiered society minus the extermination part. Still blatant discrimination being rooted on by you Nazi’s. Thanks for outing yourselves, we will be frequenting businesses that do not discriminate which is the vast majority of establishments.

Equally ironic is seeing an SP like Paola Valentina or Amanda Labelle support Nazi ideologies. You always rightfully hear SP’s preach “my body my choice”, but not when it doesnt suit their political ideologies apparently.
 

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You and the rest of the reincarnated Nazi’s in this thread are obviously unable to recognize that the Holocaust began with Jews being unable to attend many aspects of society with that yellow star designation, much the same that a person who chooses not to take THIS jab are lazily labelled as “anti-vaxxers” by the sheeple. These are pro-choice people, many well educated and successful.

Fast forward to 2021, and it may yet be another “papers please” two tiered society minus the extermination part. Still blatant discrimination being rooted on by you Nazi’s. Thanks for outing yourselves, we will be frequenting businesses that do not discriminate which is the vast majority of establishments.

Equally ironic is seeing an SP like Paola Valentina or Amanda Labelle support Nazi ideologies. You always rightfully hear SP’s preach “my body my choice”, but not when it doesnt suit their political ideologies apparently.
Lol you really went there 🤣. No comments. You don't even deserve one.
 

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You and the rest of the reincarnated Nazi’s in this thread are obviously unable to recognize that the Holocaust began with Jews being unable to attend many aspects of society with that yellow star designation, much the same that a person who chooses not to take THIS jab are lazily labelled as “anti-vaxxers” by the sheeple. These are pro-choice people, many well educated and successful.

Fast forward to 2021, and it may yet be another “papers please” two tiered society minus the extermination part. Still blatant discrimination being rooted on by you Nazi’s. Thanks for outing yourselves, we will be frequenting businesses that do not discriminate which is the vast majority of establishments.

Equally ironic is seeing an SP like Paola Valentina or Amanda Labelle support Nazi ideologies. You always rightfully hear SP’s preach “my body my choice”, but not when it doesnt suit their political ideologies apparently.
It's been some years since I was in school learning about the holocaust but I don't recall learning that jews were given the choice of a life-saving vaccine, and upon taking it would be free to live life as normal, go where they want and do as they wish.
Odd that the Jews chose not to take advantage of this....... :unsure:

Unless no such opportunity was afforded them. If not, then you have to be either a complete fucking moron or an outright antisemite to compare the plight of the antivaxxer to that of jews suffering the nazi genocide.
 
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You and the rest of the reincarnated Nazi’s in this thread are obviously unable to recognize that the Holocaust began with Jews being unable to attend many aspects of society with that yellow star designation, much the same that a person who chooses not to take THIS jab are lazily labelled as “anti-vaxxers” by the sheeple. These are pro-choice people, many well educated and successful.

Fast forward to 2021, and it may yet be another “papers please” two tiered society minus the extermination part. Still blatant discrimination being rooted on by you Nazi’s. Thanks for outing yourselves, we will be frequenting businesses that do not discriminate which is the vast majority of establishments.

Equally ironic is seeing an SP like Paola Valentina or Amanda Labelle support Nazi ideologies. You always rightfully hear SP’s preach “my body my choice”, but not when it doesnt suit their political ideologies apparently.
If a vaccine had existed to terminate the holocaust then the comparison could stand. Since there obviously wasn't your post is pure BS. I truly hope you understand why.
 
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mandrill

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You and the rest of the reincarnated Nazi’s in this thread are obviously unable to recognize that the Holocaust began with Jews being unable to attend many aspects of society with that yellow star designation, much the same that a person who chooses not to take THIS jab are lazily labelled as “anti-vaxxers” by the sheeple. These are pro-choice people, many well educated and successful.

Fast forward to 2021, and it may yet be another “papers please” two tiered society minus the extermination part. Still blatant discrimination being rooted on by you Nazi’s. Thanks for outing yourselves, we will be frequenting businesses that do not discriminate which is the vast majority of establishments.

Equally ironic is seeing an SP like Paola Valentina or Amanda Labelle support Nazi ideologies. You always rightfully hear SP’s preach “my body my choice”, but not when it doesnt suit their political ideologies apparently.
What you miss is that the Jews were excluded as a first step to exterminating them and that was the whole plan.

The non-vaxxed are excluded to protect the rest of society against the spread of disease because the non vaxxers will not take reasonable and socially responsible steps to avoid illness and infection.

The whole idea of QUARANTINE has been around since the 1300's. Venice banned lepers from contact with the healthy population so leprosy would not spread and wipe out Venice. Now the lepers were not Jews and they were not sent to Auschwitz. They were simply kept apart from the rest to protect the rest of society.

This is pretty basic and I am surprised this has to be explained to you.
 
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Quarantine is for unhealthy people. The quarantining of healthy people is TYRANNY.
 

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What you miss is that the Jews were excluded as a first step to exterminating them and that was the whole plan.
It is entirely consistent with the Far Right’s deranged fear that they are being “replaced” by immigrants and people of colour.

It is not racist to be an anti-vaxxer…but whenever you scratch beneath the surface it inevitably turns out that anti-vaxxers are racist.

The people who compare themselves to Jews who were made to wear yellow Stars of David are the same people who deny the Holocaust.

Every. Single. Time.
 
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