The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War. It’s Not ‘Siding With Putin’ to Admit It
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No the USSR and Russia are not the same. They are two different states with two different systems of government and two different doctrines entirely.
And what the US does is not "dumb shit". Dont soft ball it. What the US does is far more serious in many cases than what Russia has done.
You started talking about cold war era conflicts, not me. I am talking about Russian actions and NATO actions in EU/Ukraine. You wanted to show Russia as an aggressive state so you used USSR for that example, which is not correct.
Russia just invaded a sovereign country this year, you idiot!
As the title of the article and the first 2 paragraphs state:
The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War. It’s Not ‘Siding With Putin’ to Admit It
Vladimir Putin’s decision to launch a full‐scale invasion of Ukraine is a monstrous act of aggression that has plunged the world into a perilous situation. By any reasonable standard, his move was an over‐the‐top response to any Ukrainian or NATO provocations. However, that conclusion is different from saying that there were no provocations, as far too many policymakers and pundits in the West are doing now.
It has become especially fashionable in such circles to insist that NATO’s expansion to Russia’s border was in no way responsible for the current Ukraine crisis. Many dismiss all arguments to the contrary as “echoing Putin’s talking points,” “siding with Putin,” or circulating Russian propaganda and “disinformation.” Leaving aside the ugly miasma of McCarthyism enveloping such allegations, the underlying argument is factually wrong.
Try to follow along.
Yes Russia invaded a sovereign country. And yes we are discussing that.
But to provide an example of Russia being aggressive you started using examples from the cold war. USSR and Russia are objectively NOT the same. USSR was a different state, a different doctrine, a different system of govt all together. Stop conflating USSR and Russia. Secondly, even if you wanted to use USSR as an example of Russian past aggression, then be intellectually honest and state what the US has done for the last 70 years. State the number of sovereign countries it has invaded!
So pretty much anyone who is ideologically opposed to western values is automatically an "aggressor"? That right there supports the argument that the primary aggressors are US/NATO in any global conflict.
Oh, and at the (hidden) Gem who came out of retirement (and hiding) to be the first to press her thumb in approval firmly against his 'taint!
Well, you and him could have a 3 some with Crystal and probably not have to pay the tag team rate! ;-)
nottyboi had been an active member for 14 years and 21,000 posts. He outed himself as a Russian propagandist. He put his tail between his legs and hasn't been since Sept 9 2022
He posted profusely blaming NATO for causing Russia to invade Russia.
Here are some posts he made last time he was seen here!
And his side kick Crystal, a Russian MP owner, hadn't been seen since October until she pressed her thumb up your ass upon your posting this thread.
Like you and the Notty guy you don't know, she blamed NATO for starting the war too!
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Maybe not a paid one.. was just a funny meme that I wanted a reason to post.
Vladimir Putin was a KGB agent for most of his adult life....in the USSR.....how can you possibly say that Russia and the USSR are not related in any way?
Now I KNOW that you are an idiot who is just trying to jerk us around. Stop that...you're embarrassing yourself.....
The US was a different country 70 years ago because its flag only had 49 stars instead of 50......
Pretty sure that North Korea is ideologically opposed to western values. They haven't attacked any other country (since 1953, anyway), so they are not an aggressor.
You're an idiot....
But while you admit that Putin "invaded" a sovereign nation, why is Putin then punishing his own citizens for even mentioning that it was an "invasion" or a "war"?
Russian law bans journalists from calling Ukraine conflict a 'war' or an 'invasion'
In order to control what the Russian public knows about invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin has signed a law that imposes stiff sentences on journalists who air "false information."
www.npr.org
Yes, they can get stiff sentences for up to 15 years to even label the present "Peace Keeping" operations in Ukraine as a war or an invasion.
So, would any nation with an iota of democracy want such an autocrat running or having any sort of influence in their country?
NATO has fast tracked the Duma to pass these laws. Putin has no choice but to sign the law passed by the democratically elected Duma.But while you admit that Putin "invaded" a sovereign nation, whys Putin then punishing his own citizens for even mentioning that it was an "invasion" or a "war"?
Russian law bans journalists from calling Ukraine conflict a 'war' or an 'invasion'
In order to control what the Russian public knows about invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin has signed a law that imposes stiff sentences on journalists who air "false information."
Yes, they can get stiff sentences for up to 15 years to even label the present "Peace Keeping" operations in Ukraine as a war or an invasion.
So, would any nation with an iota of democracy want such an autocrat running or having any sort of influence in their country?
The US doing dumb or even evil shit doesn't mean that its now ok for Russia to do evil shit.
Just take a stand against the both of them doing evil shit, invasions and 'interventions' both.
So you admit Russia invaded a sovereign country but now want evidence that Russia is aggressive and has ever invaded a sovereign country?
