Ukraine updates

[krealtarron]

You don't think we are going to hear about interference on war crime investigation?
I quite agree there are probably more incidents that deserve investigation that haven't come out yet.
That's the nature of war.

No if the interference is from Ukraine we wont. Such is the nature of wartime propaganda. Tell me ONE mainstream media outlet that talks about Ukrainian losses. Surely they have suffered losses. Where are the numbers? Not ONE of them will say anything except for saying shit like "Russia is suffering 7 times more.."? Really? If you couldn't even speak to Ukraine's numbers how did you know how much Russia's losses were? Its all nonsense.

 

[krealtarron]

Ukraine insists that isn't an entire battalion of neo-nazis.
Just like the US insists that some of its battalions are not entirely neo-nazis.

Of course Ukraine "insists". We should immediately believe them because we are supposed to be on their side.

 

[krealtarron]

And the attack was going to accomplish what?

What they accomplished with Georgia. To prevent NATO expansion. The Georgian war was under the same types of pretexts that they were trying to protect the Russian speaking population of South Ossetia and what not. It came immediately after NATO welcoming Georgia and Ukraine's bid as members. And now Georgia is still not a NATO member.

This was is to show that Russia wont just saber rattle but will act and prevent NATO expansion.

You could counter this however and say, well Sweden and Finland joined NATO or are in process. But I would say Sweden and Finland dont change much for Russia with or without NATO membership. Developed country privilege or whatever.

 

[bver_hunter]

What they accomplished with Georgia. To prevent NATO expansion. The Georgian war was under the same types of pretexts that they were trying to protect the Russian speaking population of South Ossetia and what not. It came immediately after NATO welcoming Georgia and Ukraine's bid as members. And now Georgia is still not a NATO member.

This was is to show that Russia wont just saber rattle but will act and prevent NATO expansion.

You could counter this however and say, well Sweden and Finland joined NATO or are in process. But I would say Sweden and Finland dont change much for Russia with or without NATO membership. Developed country privilege or whatever.

This Putin War was all about annexing the Donbas region like he did with Crimea. Moreover, he also wanted to install a puppet head of state in Ukraine. Otherwise, why was the initial invasion by the Russian troops in very close proximity to Kiev?

Sweden and Finland like the rest of the former Soviet Members have seen Putin's real true colours as he has no intention of stopping in Ukraine. Other former Soviet Nations were the next targets of his, and hence that is why those nations prefer the West and NATO to the Evil Putin!!

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642277698536890373

 

[squeezer]

Of course Ukraine "insists". We should immediately believe them because we are supposed to be on their side.

Watch it, you might learn something

 

[krealtarron]

Watch it, you might learn something

Watch it, you might learn something.

 

[The Oracle]

Watch it, you might learn something.

This pretty much nails it on the head.......It will be a hard listen for the western military industrial complex fans on here though.

This war will be over soon........

 

[oil&gas]

I am fine with people showing moral support to Zelensky as the
good guy in the conflict. But for goodness sake don't cheer on for
continuation and escalation of the war. At this time a ceasefire
benefits Ukraine more than Russia. Post-war Ukraine will receive
aid to rebuild the country. Addition of Sweden and Finland to
NATO membership should fortify defense of the NATO eastern
front against renewed Russian invasion. If Zelensky is bent on
retaking lost territories Ukraine will still need to take the time
to strengthen its army with NATO's help first. A ceasefire at this
time even if temporary is imperative for world security.

 

[squeezer]

I am fine with people showing moral support to Zelensky as the
good guy in the conflict. But for goodness sake don't cheer on for
continuation and escalation of the war. At this time a ceasefire
benefits Ukraine more than Russia. Post-war Ukraine will receive
aid to rebuild the country. Addition of Sweden and Finland to
NATO membership should fortify defense of the NATO eastern
front against renewed Russian invasion. If Zelensky is bent on
retaking lost territories Ukraine will still need to take the time
to strengthen its army with NATO's help first. A ceasefire at this
time even if temporary is imperative for world security.

Where do you get anyone here cheering the war on? It's about backing Ukraine as it is Ukraine's choice to not give in to a dictator. There is a difference.

Instead, the radical right has decided to allow Putin to land grab anything, any little parcel of land he desires because it fits going against anything the current government is doing. Politics at its worst.

 

[squeezer]

Watch it, you might learn something.

Kreal--------->

 

[oil&gas]

Where do you get anyone here cheering the war on? It's about backing Ukraine as it is Ukraine's choice to not give in to a dictator. There is a difference.

I can rephrase cheering the war on to 'encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting
until lost territories including Crimea is retaken and Putin defeated' which I thought
is pretty much the same.

If that is the position taken by our leaders then so be it. So long
as our military personnel sent to train Ukraine soldiers remain in
the UK I am not going to protest.

Instead, the radical right has decided to allow Putin to land grab anything, any little parcel of land he desires because it fits going against anything the current government is doing. Politics at its worst.

 

[squeezer]

I can rephrase cheering the war on to 'encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting
until lost territories including Crimea is retaken and Putin defeated' which I thought
is pretty much the same.

If that is the position taken by our leaders then so be it. So long
as our military personnel sent to train Ukraine soldiers remain in
the UK I am not going to protest.

I believe and I may be wrong, Crimea is being used as a strategy to get Putin in a serious way to the negotiation table. Losing Crimea would be a serious loss and a total embarrassment. Walking away and keeping Crimea and the West recognizing Crimea as part of Russia may be a win and an off-ramp out of his stupid decision to illegally invade a peaceful sovereign country. On the opposite end, Putin is fighting hard for a town called Bakmut because he wants a win so badly. Perhaps he sees Bakmut as his offramp.

Without the west/NATO supplying defensive weapons, Eukraine would be done so for your folks to keep harping on not supplying any aid, which is ridiculous.

 

[oil&gas]

Without the west/NATO supplying defensive weapons, Eukraine would be done so for your folks to keep harping on not supplying any aid, which is ridiculous.

I expect the west will continue supplying aid to Ukraine after
the hoped-for ceasefire. Defense and the armies of NATO members
will be upgraded and strengthened as well.

 

[mandrill]

This pretty much nails it on the head.......It will be a hard listen for the western military industrial complex fans on here though.

This war will be over soon........

What populist rant would ever be complete without a few videos from Chomsky.

 

[mandrill]

I believe and I may be wrong, Crimea is being used as a strategy to get Putin in a serious way to the negotiation table. Losing Crimea would be a serious loss and a total embarrassment. Walking away and keeping Crimea and the West recognizing Crimea as part of Russia may be a win and an off-ramp out of his stupid decision to illegally invade a peaceful sovereign country. On the opposite end, Putin is fighting hard for a town called Bakmut because he wants a win so badly. Perhaps he sees Bakmut as his offramp.

Without the west/NATO supplying defensive weapons, Eukraine would be done so for your folks to keep harping on not supplying any aid, which is ridiculous.

I don't think so. Bakhmut was selected by Prigozhin as a showcase for Wagner Group.

The Poo will keep on with the war until Russia domestically destabilizes. Otherwise, why would The Poo give a shit?

He lives in a fortress mansion on a peninsula on the Black Sea. He has all the pussy he wants. And he kills anyone who fucks with him in Russia.

 

[squeezer]

I expect the west will continue supplying aid to Ukraine after
the hoped-for ceasefire. Defense and the armies of NATO members
will be upgraded and strengthened as well.

They did before the illegal occupation except Trump tried to intervene a tad to stop it on Putin's behalf.

 

[squeezer]

He lives in a fortress mansion on a peninsula on the Black Sea. He has all the pussy he wants. And he kills anyone who fucks with him in Russia.

The old fukwad could have been doing this in peace without anyone at all bothering him or having to look over his shoulder. What a fucking dumbass twat!!!

 

[krealtarron]

Kreal--------->

Squeeze

 

[Addict2sex]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1641455015171862531