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Here is some material for the fascist, lying, idiotic, warmongering orcs on this board to ponder over rather than prescribe from their mom's basement about how Ukrainians should fight to the death. 
He regularly contributes to Fox News and Russian state media, where his opinions on Russia and Ukraine have caused controversy. Liz Cheney has called him a member of the "Putin wing of the GOP" and a fellow traveller.[3][4]Here is some material for the fascist, lying, idiotic, warmongering orcs on this board to ponder over rather than prescribe from their mom's basement about how Ukrainians should fight to the death.
Everyone who speaks against the war is a "Fox news, Russian state media, Putin wing of the GOP" grifter and everyone who supports the war is a morally superior, truth seeking sage lol.
Its very easy for people who know nothing about losing their homes, loved ones or their cities crumbling around them etc to sit here on an escort review board and talk about how morally superior they are to prescribe nationalism and continuation of the war because apparently they cannot put up with Ukraine losing land to Russia!
What is more important? Land or people's life? Worse case even if after negotiations Ukraine were to lose Donbas and Crimea to Russia, SO. FUCKING. WHAT? They can still get on with their lives. Does it change anything in the lives of the average Ukrainian for the worse or would they want their lives uppended for the next 10 years? And they say this despite one of these assholes on this board saying that his very own relative, fled his country to Canada when the USSR came for them. Was he just another coward then? Should he have stayed and fought and put his family at risk?
Fucking idiocy on here where people calling for peace are warmongers and people calling for war from 20,000 miles away while having to face none of the grief are moral stalwarts. LOL. Fuck outta here.
Please do not disrespect Putin by suggestion, that if he was allowed to take part of Ukraine, he would be so stupid that he would not in due time go ahead and take all of it.
You are not just going to say during negotiations that he gets to keep whatever he wants. I am not even for him keeping Donbas, but its just a worst case scenario I mentioned. Ukraine would need security guarantees of course that prevents Putin from acting further to take everything else. Or for that matter other countries in the region.
Security guarantee is not a signature on a piece of paper. It includes readiness to engage in a war.
An attempt to avoid a war plus losing momentum and western help is the opposite of security guarantee.
It guarantees Putin that Ukraine is weak and west is weak and he can take what he wants.
this is just a practical reality of it.
Yes! Good thing that that 10% has now been proven, and it’s not merely some usual empty bullshit talking point
The alternative where you think war is preferable instead of losing momentum (which Ukraine does not have), western help (which is very limited and will likely dwindle as the years and months roll on), and your fear to look "weak", which is purely political posturing, resulting in Ukraine being engaged in a protracted war, pretty much guarantees the same thing. Infact it guarantees worse. Because if the west is not willing to escalate war, which they aren't then Russia pretty much has nothing much to worry about. They will throw bodies and equipment at the war and they can objectively sustain that longer than the Ukrainians can.
The practical reality of the situation is that eventually war fatigue is going to set in and this will end in negotiations in some form and an uneasy truce.
Why delay the inevitable? Do it now.
Ukraine will not be a NATO member unless Russia loses or escalates war that justifies Ukraine joining, which is probably what NATO and the US are looking forward to. Russia wont lose without nuking something and wont escalate the war either because they dont have the capability to fight an escalated war, or because they fear NATO's full fledged involvement which they dont want. Eventually the enthusiasm of western nations will dwindle, passions will simmer down as the western population has some other bone to chew on (possibly 2024 elections), war fatigue will set in and they will all come to an uneasy truce. Ukraine will be destitute, and destroyed and it will take decades for them to recover.
If I were Russia I wouldn't worry about Ukraine becoming a
member of NATO with the parts of its territories already
(or nearly to be) taken secured. I think it is in the interest
of Russia to give up at this point and turn its attention away
from the west. Of course I am not in a position to decide
what is best for Russia.
member of NATO with the parts of its territories already
(or nearly to be) taken secured. I think it is in the interest
of Russia to give up at this point and turn its attention away
from the west. Of course I am not in a position to decide
what is best for Russia.
No war fatigue on the horizon.
When you think that the western world and the us went 21 years of war in Afghanistan and almost 20 in Iraq ....don't have your hopes up with Ukraine. Nato members are reluctant at times but once engage don't expect an early retreat or cuts in the funding anytime soon as they are sharing the burden among 38 countries.
Negociations are definitely inevitable and will happen at one point in time . So far Russia has hardened the Ukrainian positions after refusing to have talks and Putin doesn't want to deviate from his previous statements and positions.
Let Putin make the first reasonable offer and see how it goes... Not likely right now as he's so afraid to look weak and any compromise would also show weaknesses based on the rumours and previous behavior on his part
What if Putin won't make the first reasonable offer? I guess
the west will just let Zelensky fight on to the end. Cost of
the war is just pittance to NATO members. They will likely
have to spend more money after the war buying weapons
better than the toys given to Ukraine.
the west will just let Zelensky fight on to the end. Cost of
the war is just pittance to NATO members. They will likely
have to spend more money after the war buying weapons
better than the toys given to Ukraine.
Yep everybody knows. I'm not saying that it's a pretty future . I was talking about resolve on the part of NATO members. If you look at Ukraine right now in terms of infrastructure it's already in shambles...just will power keeps them going and that seems to be the small unexpected detail Putin , his cronies and even the west were not counting on at the start of the invasion.
They will get to a negotiation in the future but it will be after an awful body count on each side . Russia has never been afraid to throw and waste people during a conflict ( throwing bodies at a problem) but so are the Ukrainians if you look at their history that overlap Russian history.
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