He stinksLet's have a moment of empathy, grief and silence for Rougned Odor - DFA-ed by the Padres before tonight's game.
Enjoy the bus rides in AAA, assjack!!!
Jays 2023
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While what you say makes sense there are many pitchers who carried excess weight and did very well despite it. Former Jays Roger Clemens and David Wells come to mind. Lets not forget Bartolo Colon either.
CC Sabathia as well.
The unknown factor of sorts is the pitch clock… that being said I’m not sure if those guys worked that slow either Where it comes into play now is a longer at bat. You get more rest in between batters. But when you get to say 6 pitches in the middle of at bat, you can no longer reset and take a bit of a break which I am sure many of the guys above did.
I think it’s at least a small part of the factor but probavly not near the biggest part of it. His slider has no bite and his command is off early in innings as well before fatigue would set in.
How could a guy who was so dominant for a year and a half seemingly lose it so suddenly. He is struggling mightily to find the strike zone.
Location, Velocity, and much Less Break on his Slider.
Just a terrible combination to have them all decline over one year.
Any take on the potential for Ryu to take over the last starter's role?
Or Jays re acquiring Stroman?
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@maurice93: Has your opinion on the activation of Mitch White changed in the past two weeks? Mine hasn't.
Is this not a meaningless and distracting post. Are you Shack? ( And BTW, I actually like Shack and think some of those comments are unfair)
The Blue Jays just lost 2 games in a row. Let's go back to the narrative that the Jays destroyed themselves by releasing the Almighty Anthony Bass who could not be trusted in any high leverage situations! Even though they had an AL Best record of 14-6 records before these last 2 games and could hide low leverage relievers. The great Anthony Bass who has not been even been signed to a MLB contract yet and would be a 12 or 13th pitcher on the staff pitching almost entirely meaningless innings just like White. White has not hurt them because they have played well enough to not pitching anything close to an important inning (except that first game of his)
You never really addressed the points that I laid out given the roster dilemna the Jays were in at the time. Instead you rambled on about some alphabet people agenda and glorified his 8 inning stretch of 3 earned runs (over a 25 day period!) because the team was afraid of using him in any leverage situations.
But let's get to Mitch White. When was my opinion of Mitch White ever anything close to good? My opinion has never really changed.
I always claimed White was likely not going to be good. And as of today, they are both he (and Bass) are now proven 2023 losers. Although at the time one had not yet proven it this year and had shown minor potential in two prior years, One had to be called up, despite stinking up in AAA. One could clear waivers in early June, the other would not. One had a role to potentially fill in early June the other did not, although they were both deep, deep down on the pitching staff either way. One was a distraction, one was not.
White's failures were not unexpected. Is there anything in any of my posts from the past month that suggest I would now be stunned by his performance? There was a small chance he would not stink, and of course the hope was that far less than likely scenario would happen. Bass did nothing to prove he was any good either in 2023. He sucked too. And nobody has signed him because he sucks and is not worth the distraction
If we want to actually talk baseball, the issue is that Jays management has done a terrible job in developing pitching prospects and minor league fringe depth to replace losers like White and Bass. Hopefully Ryu comes back, Jays add a few pitchers at the deadline, and in the end White and Bass could be sent to the pastures where they belong.
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In the spirit of meaningless, illogical, and disconnected **** posting that apparently some want on this board, here we go.
The Jays are 8-3 in the last 11 games. And in the 20 games before this series, they were 14-6.
Looks like getting rid of the Anthony Bass distraction has really paid off!
The Jays are 8-3 in the last 11 games. And in the 20 games before this series, they were 14-6.
Looks like getting rid of the Anthony Bass distraction has really paid off!
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@maurice93: Forget Bass, he's history.
You said earlier in this thread that some other team would claim Mitch White if he has placed on waivers. I would think that would be a classic case of addition by subtraction, ie: the Jays might be able to bat against him.
Do you see any reason to keep Mitch White on the roster, instead of Bowden Francis, who can also pitch multiple innings? White being half-Korean doesn't seem like a good enough reason for me, when he's posting Charlie Brown numbers, and it's not as if he didn't stink last year, too.
You said earlier in this thread that some other team would claim Mitch White if he has placed on waivers. I would think that would be a classic case of addition by subtraction, ie: the Jays might be able to bat against him.
Do you see any reason to keep Mitch White on the roster, instead of Bowden Francis, who can also pitch multiple innings? White being half-Korean doesn't seem like a good enough reason for me, when he's posting Charlie Brown numbers, and it's not as if he didn't stink last year, too.
They are not hitting... especially against decent pitchers ( which is all they'd see in the playoffs).
Ryu too, though I've heard he's lost about 30 - 40lbs as part of his rehab from Tommy John surgery.
But, Manoah was the 3rd slowest pitcher last year taking lots of time to catch his breath and recover between pitches and batters. This year with the pitch timer he's lost that luxury. You tire more quickly when carrying extra weight and without the recovery time you struggle.
I will give him more time, but I think this year he's a 3 - 4 inning guy (5 innings against a weak team). The Jays rushed him back from the complex, likely because of pressure from the other 4 starters. Heck, Bassitt took his thoughts public and now Manoah needs the off-season to put it back together for next season. Fingers crossed.
They need a good clean-up hitter to insert some power into the middle of their lineup. Short-term, I think Schneider needs to re-jig the lineup. I think a little less so since Springer has started to hit lately but still, remember when Schneider dropped Bo down the order last August.
Bo got the message and went on a tear in September which has continued through to this season, and returned to the top of the order. I think Belt and Vladdy Jr. need to be separated in the order as they are not the quickest base runners and Merrifield is hitting 20 points better than Springer. Also, Springer hits more power than Merrifield, so putting Whit in leadoff and Springer between Belt and Vladdy Jr. would make sense.
Finally, Springer is now alone in second for most leadoff homers and won't catch Ricky Henderson, so he's not owed anything (if he ever was as it's a team sport). Remember, every leadoff home run is only a solo homer.
Since Anthony Bass is a superstar unrivaled, shouldn't he be getting Shohai Ohtani money?
It's irritating when the run producers turn into black holes, take Belt out of the No.3 spot, he strikes out way too much.
It's irritating when the run producers turn into black holes, take Belt out of the No.3 spot, he strikes out way too much.
Oh Oh time. When Geuerrero hit the homer first at bat after the break...everyone thought that he was now going back to being a power hitter. Since then,,,,,,virtually nothing and he left the small village on base last night (0 for 3 in rbi situations) and with weak at bats.
This is a third place team. Win a few more than they lose. Not a playoff team.
This is a third place team. Win a few more than they lose. Not a playoff team.
Unforgivable. If I got picked off first base without sliding , I would expect to be benched and worse. Where is the accountability? I write this right after the first inning. If you were the manager, would you have benched Guerrero? I would have - send a message.
So, after this post I was thinking about what "my order" would look like. I know batting average is no longer the best indicator in the age of analytics, but I'm old school and I still think batting average tells a whole heck of a lot (and don't really understand all the new analytics - I'm a simple guy).
Leadoff - Whit Merrifield - Batting Average .288
2nd - Bo Bichette - Batting Average .319, top of the AL in hits
3rd - Brendon Belt - He's on the team so you have to use him, and at least he strikes out vs. hitting into double plays which Vladdy leads the league in doing.
4th - George Springer to clean it all up.
5th - Vladdy - He hits well with runners in scoring position, and because all his double play balls don't factor in when the runners are on 2nd, or 3rd vs. 1st. If he wants to hit 3rd again he will have have to earn it through hitting more effectively.
6th - Chapman - Because where else are you going to put him.
7th - Jano - He can clean-up anyone who's left on base, has clutch hitting and some power, and he's not the worst hitter in the lineup. Sub Kirk in for when he's catching, or swap him with Varsho if someone (that's Varsho) needs a "cookie".
8th - Varsho - He's a great defender, but not hitting well (.213) so he gets the worst hitter spot (unless he swaps with 7th when Kirk is catching).
9th - Kiermaier - A .275 hitter to get on base for when the lineup flips to the top of the order.
There you go Blue Jays. I'm going to sit back and wait for my cheque.
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