Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

But here's the difference.

There is no logical reason that the non whites in France are segregated.

But much of the Arab population in Gaza is actively hostile towards Israel and cannot co exist with the Israelis. Hence those big barbed wire fences and guarded checkpoints.

Leimonis demolished that argument by pointing out that Palestinians live quite happily with almost equal rights inside the 1967 borders of Israel. 'Israeli Arabs' show that if you give them equal rights they can live in peace.

Otherwise your post is just based on your own racial prejudices against Palestinians.

Does this sound like someone who cannot coexist with Israelis?

Liberation for us means dismantling the structures of Zionist settler colonialism and apartheid and addressing the inequalities and injustices it has inflicted on us, the indigenous population of Palestine, over the past 100 years.

Liberation for us aims to transform the relationship between Palestinians and Israelis into one based on total equality and justice. The settler society is expected to abandon all colonial privileges and display real willingness to accept responsibility for past crimes and injustices. The compromise that indigenous Palestinians are expected to offer is to accept settlers as equal citizens in the new state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

This is the path to peace and security, and the international community, which has long accepted Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinians and has even been complicit in them, will have to embrace it.

 

[Not getting younger]

Possibly a combination of both where they feed into each other. But there is objective discrimination in France where these Muslim people live in poor enclaves with not even proper drinking water etc., Those things can be fixed.

There is this book Obama recommended that I read. This lady is a Washington Post and NYT investigative journalist. She talks about how it is in Europe along with terrorism etc. One of the most informative imo.

I Was Told to Come Alone: My Journey Behind the Lines o…

“I was told to come alone. I was not to carry any ident…

www.goodreads.com

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
The problem with your thinking Kautilya and the lefts. Your rationalizing based on your/our own values and morals. Morals are not universal.

You assuming that the fox wants to live in peace with the chicken. Or that you can force or coerce it to…Lambs and wolves. Whether in nature or human nature. And the fact is, even if left entirely alone. The mid east would be happy wiping each other out. Have for centuries, still do. See ISIL see Hamas and disregard for human life and more, see how they treat women, and more.

 

[Frankfooter]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
The problem with your thinking Kautilya and the lefts. Your rationalizing based on your/own values.

You assuming that the fox wants to live in peace with the chicken. Lambs and wolves. Whether I’m mature or human nature. And the fact is, if left entirely alone. The mid east would be happy wiping each other out. Have for centuries.

You think the people being occupied, living in an ever shrinking area under apartheid occupation are the 'foxes'?

 

[mandrill]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
The problem with your thinking Kautilya and the lefts. Your rationalizing based on your/own values.

You assuming that the fox wants to live in peace with the chicken. Lambs and wolves. Whether I’m mature or human nature. And the fact is, if left entirely alone. The mid east would be happy wiping each other out. Have for centuries.

Absolutely. It's only a matter of time before the Arabs in Toronto take over Fairview Mall and wage jihad in the food court and Mendocino. 5 years ago, Butler told us this would happen within a year or two. And he was totally right.... in rightie fantasy world. (Not in real life).

 

[mandrill]

You think the people being occupied, living in an ever shrinking area under apartheid occupation are the 'foxes'?

It doesn't really matter. If they can't coexist, they can't live together.

Killing 600 civilians last weekend proves they can't co exist.

 

[Frankfooter]

I have never said any of those things are right. I have always maintained that Israel's actions amount to oppression. I have also said both Israel and Palestine are racist towards each other.

But in this particular case, where Hamas massacred civilians, it is terrorism. Not self-defence.

But in this particular case Israel's response is also terrorism.
And they have the added illegal occupation and apartheid rule.

B'tselem lists 233 settler terrorist attacks in 2023 up until this round of violence.
Do you not consider Israeli terrorism to acts of aggression

https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence_updates_list?f%5B2%5D=date%3A%28min%3A1672531200%2Cmax%3A1696377600%29

You've stated that Hamas has a right to self defence and your only issue is that they are using the same techniques that Israel is now using, but that means you think only Hamas is bad.

Israel's president has stated he thinks there are no civilians in Gaza, that he thinks he can target and kill every Palestinian living in Gaza.
Why would you back this side?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712998474017296589

 

[Frankfooter]

It doesn't really matter. If they can't coexist, they can't live together.

Killing 600 civilians last weekend proves they can't co exist.

It doesn't prove they can't coexist, it proves that Palestinians won't live in an open air prison under apartheid rule forever.
Why do you think they should?

Why do you back such an overtly racist regime that is now escalating from apartheid, the second most evil crime against humanity, to the most evil of crimes: genocide?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712676319224557747

 

[Frankfooter]

This is where you are wrong. You cannot attack Israel and expect no response and then call it terrorism when they do.

Both sides are committing terrorism. Take them both to the ICC.
But also note that one side commits way more terrorism, kills more civilians, is illegally occupying another people's homeland, committing apartheid and now appears to be in a campaign of genocide. That's not Hamas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713214696201867708

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712964179471008025

 

[Leimonis]

You think the people being occupied, living in an ever shrinking area under apartheid occupation are the 'foxes'?

Maybe if arabs haven’t started wars trying to destroy israel the map would look different

 

[Not getting younger]

Absolutely. It's only a matter of time before the Arabs in Toronto take over Fairview Mall and wage jihad in the food court and Mendocino. 5 years ago, Butler told us this would happen within a year or two. And he was totally right.... in rightie fantasy world. (Not in real life).

I can expect no better from you Mandrill. How you batting so far…..0.00% I can include Russia, prisons, and more.

nor do you obviously comprehend geopolitics. Especially in a global world.

 

[Frankfooter]

That points to my earlier statement of Israelis being racist. But if you ask a Palestinian they would say something similar too.

Yet you don't have a problem with apartheid.
You don't see the illegal occupation of Palestine as problematic.
And you demonize only one side as hateful terrorists.

2.2 million people are being bombed in a giant open air prison where Israel has blocked all water, food and power.
You are now supporting genocide.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713259746344481215

 

[Klatuu]

This is where you are wrong. You cannot attack Israel and expect no response and then call it terrorism when they do.

That train has already left the station. No point in trying to run interference for Israel. It sounds pathetic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713133146747646071

 

[Klatuu]

Maybe if arabs haven’t started wars trying to destroy israel the map would look different

The brainwashing at work. These are scripted answers.

 

[Frankfooter]

Maybe if arabs haven’t started wars trying to destroy israel the map would look different

Your knowledge of history is weak.

Maybe if you didn't have such overt racism towards Palestinians you wouldn't support apartheid and genocide.

 

[shack]

No, shack.

Empty words.

You could type a 10 page dissertation and you'd convince nobody that you are any different than what you've proven yourself to be. Everybody knows that your words are hollow lies.

You hate Jews.
You hate Israel.
You are happy that Hamas attacked.
You are happy that over 1,000 people were killed.
You don't care how many Gazans die.
You don't care how many or how much they suffer.
You want Israel eradicated.
You're an ant-Semite.
You are a racist.
You salivate when you hear about the atrocities that Hamas committed
You are a blatant, serial liar.

I apologize if I left anything out.

Dozens of people here have the same opinion of you and have called you out. Every single one of your posts has been rebuked. I imagine that you are the most hated person on TERB.

You should embrace who you are instead of pretending otherwise. You know, be a mensch for once.

Shabbat Shalom.

 

[Frankfooter]

Dude, you are going in circles and appear confused. Just 2 posts ago I said all of those things were wrong and that BOTH were racists.

Where I dont agree with you is in your calling Israel's response to a terror attack, terrorism. That is nonsense. It is a military action and yes it is going to be brutal!

So both are racists but you prefer to defend the side doing the illegal occupation, apartheid rule and genocide because Palestinians responded to Israeli terrorism?

 

[shack]

Good news. Egypt has agreed to accept foreigners escaping Gaza.
Rafah crossing to allow foreigners out as Gazans flee their homes - CGTN

That is encouraging.

 

[Leimonis]

Your knowledge of history is weak.

Maybe if you didn't have such overt racism towards Palestinians you wouldn't support apartheid and genocide.

Well, I hear from you is whining and no actual solution propose. Releasing rabid dogs in the general population is not a practical solution..

 

[Klatuu]

Given the situation in Gaza, even if Israel did not cut off power, electricity and water, and just pushed in to attack, they would still call it collective punishment. This is how war in that region has always been.

But they have. So let’s deal with the reality of what they have done and are doing. Talking about the way “it’s always been” is fatuous time wasting.