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Frankfooter

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All we have to do is imagine what would happen to this particular geographic area if the Palis did take over. It would quickly revert to the cesspool that the rest of the region exists in. Even the Arab Muslims within the State of Israel wouldn't want Israel to disappear. They know what would happen.
Nothing like a little racism and hate speech in the morning.
You sound like a bit like Nathaniel Veltman.

I prefer this method.

 

basketcase

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Hamas and all Palestinians have the legal right to self defence against an illegal occupation.
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And once again the justification for terrorism after pretending to not approve.

Hamas' actions are pure terror. You may like to claim that going door to door, butchering Israeli civilians, holding old ladies and children hostage, and unguided rockets are self defence but every time you do so, you prove that you don't give a shit about international law or what those rights groups say.
 

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There is a reason why 80% of Israeli Jews blame Netanyahu.
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This claim is the most moronic of all your idiotic posts.

80% of Israelis blame Netanyahu for not stopping Hamas terrorism. I doubt there are more than a couple dozen Israelis who approve Hamas' actions they way you do.
 

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Nothing like a little racism and hate speech in the morning.
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As long as groups like hamas hold sway, it's the truth.

You pretend to be against religious extremism and authoritarianism and you claim to support women's rights while at the same time you keep making excuses for Hamas who (except for their terrorism against Jews) exemplify all of the things you claim to be against.
 

Frankfooter

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Hamas' actions are pure terror.
Its the one note samba, on eternal loop at the basketcase cafe.

On a day when Israel intentionally fired a missile at a hospital they demanded host refugees you're back to saying its Hamas that is evil.
What Israel did today is the most evil act that I know of since Ben Gurion dropped his $2000 worth of poison into Palestinian wells.

Israel fired warning shells at the Al-Ahri hospital knowing there was nowhere else to go, then they bombed the hospital killing over 800 refugees.
Then they tried to blame it on Hamas, then Islamic Jihad, using poorly faked videos which they then retracted.

So, either you call this act out as a bigger and more evil act of terrorism than Hamas or we understand that you are at home doing a little victory dance.

 

Frankfooter

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As long as groups like hamas hold sway, it's the truth.

You pretend to be against religious extremism and authoritarianism and you claim to support women's rights while at the same time you keep making excuses for Hamas who (except for their terrorism against Jews) exemplify all of the things you claim to be against.
Every day I say take Hamas and the Israeli leadership to the Hague and charge them both equally before the law for their war crimes.
And each day you go back to the one note samba and try to claim that means I'm excusing or supporting Hamas.

This is your holy war.
This is what you've been calling for here every day.

 

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[Shack]Definitely not at you.

I figured it wasn't but just checking...

[Shack]It is for frank in particular and in general to bring attention to how disruptive he is to the mood of the TERB community. It is generally a fun place with a lot of interesting discussions.
Meh, everyone is entitled to their wrong opinions. I'd like it if he wasn't such an obvious troll but hey, can't have everything.

[Shack]Sure there are some heated arguments, but the level of animosity, hate and ill-will that frank brings is at a different level. He has a horrible influence on the overall mood of the board, brings nothing of value to board and the board would be better off without him. I'm sure many people think that, but I don't think that it's actually been said. I just wanted it typed down so it is said out loud.

[Shack]Not meant to be a personal criticism, but if you (generically, not specifically you.) get heated, it's not the other person's fault, it's your (generically, not specifically you.) fault. We are the only ones to choose how we react and thus we need to take responsibility for the actions we decide to take. This is true for this and many other aspects of life that are controversial.

[Shack]I'm curious what other people think. I understand about free speech but would TERB be a better place without frank?

Free thought/speech/ideas is very very tough in practice and this is a good example of it. Everyone mouths the principle but very few stand by it particularly those who state they are caring and inclusive. A LOT of people do not like what he does, he's obviously not that well read, has no depth and he brings little actual value to ANY subject, but I'd prefer for him not to be banned because of the necessity of free and open exchange of ideas. MAYBE 1 out of 50 posts he has is useful so I'd hate to miss that.
Not that I agree 100%, but well said.
 
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Frankfooter

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If that were true, I wouldn't.

Please show the source of that graphic.
Its from the self hating Jews.
Of course I would only post from Jewish sources because you'd accuse any other source of being racist, evil, biased or something or other.

Its on their site.
Find it.

 

shack

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Its from the self hating Jews.
Of course I would only post from Jewish sources because you'd accuse any other source of being racist, evil, biased or something or other.

Its on their site.
Find it.

IJV, is anti-Israeli organization and has the same ideals as you. They are not objective in the least. Your sources are worthless.
 
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shack

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Independent Jewish Voices of Canada.
Yes, they have same ideals as I do.

Equal rights
Honouring human rights
Peace
Respect

Of course you think those are 'worthless'.
Very honourable ideals if they are applied equally to everyone.

Do you feel that Hamas confers peace and respect upon Israel and Jewish Israelis?
 

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Its the one note samba, on eternal loop at the basketcase cafe.
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And absolute truth. The fact that you keep endorsing Hamas despite them standing for pretty much everything you claim to stand against shows quite clearly that you simply don't care about morals when Jews are involved.
 

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Neither side is right now.
But if Rwanda can get past a genocide so can Israel.

Do you think Israelis and Palestinians can't?
The way you keep making excuses for terror from groups like Hamas and PIJ and the way you keep ignoring what Palestinians want (as opposed to wanting them forced into things they hate) and they way you pretend like Arabs and Palestinians have no agency, you've clearly shown you think Palestinians are incapable of moral behaviour.
 

Frankfooter

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And absolute truth. The fact that you keep endorsing Hamas despite them standing for pretty much everything you claim to stand against shows quite clearly that you simply don't care about morals when Jews are involved.
You are so far down the extremist hole that calling for both sides to be held to the law makes you think I support Hamas?
You are very twisted.

I support BDS, peace and the end of apartheid.

 

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lest we forget!

“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial - B'nai Brith Canada (bnaibrith.ca)




“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial

“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial
B’nai Brith Investigation: A so-called Jewish group has
links to a White Supremacist Hate Site

By Aidan Fishman
B’nai Brith Canada
Campus Affairs Coordinator



A group that calls itself Independent Jewish Voices (IJV), and passes itself off as an organization that speaks on behalf of Jewish Canadians, promotes Holocaust denial through social media, a B’nai Brith investigation reveals.

Postings on the group’s official Twitter and Facebook accounts have been directing followers to articles from the white supremacist hate site Veterans Today. One article in particular falsely asserts that no more than 1-million Jews were killed by Nazi Germany and characterizes modern antisemitism as a natural reaction to Israeli policies. The article was also promoted online by Sid Shniad, a B.C. resident who serves as IJV’s co-chair and official spokesperson.


Both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Law Poverty Center have denounced Veterans Today as a white supremacist hate site, replete with false accusations of Jewish responsibility for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy, and the Sandy Hook elementary school shootings.

The posting by IJV cannot be described as accidental or unknowing. In fact, one Facebook follower of the IJV page explicitly pointed out that the article supports Holocaust denial, but IJV failed to answer it or delete the link.

IJV has a controversial history in Canada. It was founded in 2008, and became one of the first groups in the country to endorse the anti-Israel boycott in 2009. In that same year, IJV co-founder Diana Ralph was outed by the National Post as a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. At the time, IJV distanced itself from Ralph’s views, and she claimed to resign all posts within the organization, but is still listed as a member of IJV’s Steering Committee on its website. To this day, IJV advocates for the complete isolation and demonization of Israel.

IJV has since become a key component of the anti-Israel movement in Canada, exploiting its status as a self-declared “Jewish” organization to lend a veneer of credibility to the movement’s crusade against the Jewish State.



  • Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel and anti-Zionist activist group that advocates for the boycott of Israel and eradication of Zionism.
  • JVP does not represent the mainstream Jewish community, which it views as bigoted for its association with Israel. JVP’s staunch anti-Zionist positions place it squarely in opposition to mainstream American Jews and Jews worldwide, most of whom view a connection with Israel as an integral part of their social, cultural or religious Jewish identities. JVP promulgates the view that Jews who identify even tangentially with Israel are motivated by white supremacy, Jewish racial chauvinism and religious supremacism.
  • The spread of JVP’s most inflammatory ideas can help give rise to antisemitism. Many left-wing groups have uncritically accepted JVP’s anti-Zionist claims, elevating their harsh rhetoric related to Israel and Zionism and furthering the widespread antisemitic vilification and ostracization of many American Jews who identify as Zionists. This has helped to create a hostile environment for Jews on many campuses and in many progressive spaces.
  • JVP alleges that law enforcement missions to Israel organized by Jewish groups help to perpetuate police brutality. Since 2017, JVP has claimed that Israel, alongside a few U.S.-based community and Jewish organizations, is responsible for “police brutality, especially against people of color, on American streets” because those organizations have facilitated periodic seminars between American and Israeli law enforcement officials. This “Deadly Exchange” narrative has metastasized within American progressive circles, with some implicating Zionism and Israel in the murder of George Floyd and the broader oppression of people of color in the United States. JVP’s willful misrepresentation of police exchanges injects extreme anti-Israel animus into important social justice movements, detracting from pressing civil rights work and often leading to the vilification of American Jews.
  • Approximately 12 JVP chapters are active on college campuses, where members often work closely with chapters of the anti-Israel student group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) to promote anti-Israel initiatives, messages and events.
  • In addition to JVP’s promotion of messaging that descends into the antisemitic vilification of “Zionists,” the group has expressed support for violence and, occasionally, classic antisemitic tropes. Some JVP members, leaders and chapters propagate rhetoric or sponsor events where participants express support for violence or terror against Israelis and vilify Zionist Jews. In a few instances, they have espoused blatant antisemitic tropes, including modern manifestations of the blood libel and allegations of Jewish dual loyalty to the countries in which they live.
Statements and Images That Invoke Classic Antisemitic Tropes

Occasionally, JVP activists or speakers at JVP events veer into classic antisemitic ideas and themes. In at least two instances, JVP or participants at a JVP-organized event propagated allegations related to the blood libel. In another instance, a JVP leader argued that genocidal sentiment towards non-Jews is embedded in Judaism, a claim that has also been made by hardcore antisemites.

  • National JVP, May 2022: A cartoon depicted Israeli soldiers joyously drinking the blood of dead Palestinians.
Jewish Voice for Peace: What You Need To Know

  • May 11, 2022: A rally in Los Angeles co-hosted by JVP-LA, American Muslims for Palestine, Palestinian Youth Movement and others featured a doctored photo of former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with a Jewish Star of David drawn on his forehead and blood dripping out of his open mouth, standing over the body of a bloodied Palestinian child. Text on the poster reads “Can’t Get Enough Save Palestinian Kids.” A separate section of the same banner depicted deceased Palestinian children with accompanying text, “The Zionists=Palestinian Children Killers.” Another banner featured the same doctored photo of Netanyahu, but with the additions of two swastikas on Netanyahu’s forehead and a mustache meant to represent that of Adolf Hitler.
Jewish Voice for Peace: What You Need To Know



  • In a 2015 speech at Portland State University, former JVP Deputy Director Cecilie Surasky stated that the traditional Jewish doctrine that Jews must be a "light unto the nations" is "predicated on a system of racial and ethnic superiority," and should be interpreted as a divine justification for "ethnic cleansing, even genocide."
Expressions of Support for Violence/Terrorism

Some JVP activists and event participants have promoted violence and/or terrorism, as well as terrorist groups and figures, including terror organization Hamas and PFLP terrorists Leila Khaled and Rasmea Odeh. Others have minimized or justified terrorism, including by alleging that the idea of “civilian Israelis” is a “myth.”

  • May 2021: May 22: A speaker stated at a rally organized by the Philadelphia Free Palestine Coalition, which includes JVP, SJP and YDSA:

    • “We have to be willing to do anything for Palestine, not just in words. We have to be like our brothers, our soldiers of Gaza, our soldiers of the resistance. You have to start[sic] and when you start to understand those words you will start becoming less afraid of saying the H word, [Hamas] what is the H word? They are the only ones that’s fighting for Palestinians.”
  • April 2022: JVP Detroit claimed that there are no Israeli civilians, and all Israelis may be treated as soldiers on the battlefield:
    • "In the aftermath of any act of resistance carried out by Palestinians, many hasten to condemn the ‘barbaric’ act of killing ‘civilian’ settlers, in complete disregard of the systemic violence that ‘Israel’ commits against Palestinians on a daily basis, and in a blatant attempt to distort the truth that Palestinians are the only civilians to have ever existed in historical Palestine. Zionist settlers are either current or future soldiers in the IOF’s reserves or veterans."
Jewish Voice for Peace: What You Need To Know

  • May 2021: JVP Knoxville posted a photo from a rally where a participant held a sign reading: “Blaming Hamas for firing rockets is like blaming a woman for punching her rapist.”
Jewish Voice for Peace: What You Need To Know



  • January 2019: At a panel event at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, speaker Noss Petashnik, who was introduced as being affiliated with SJP and JVP, said:

    • “Women have been visible in armed resistance in Palestine. One woman I want to give special mention to is Leila Khaled, a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine [PFLP]…I mention her specifically because I remember reading her biography and feeling inspired by her story.”
  • August 2017: JVP hosted and honored PFLP member Rasmea Odeh, who was convicted in an Israeli court in 1970 for being involved in a 1969 bombing that killed two Hebrew University students.
Statements/Actions Which Vilify Zionism and Zionists

Language espoused by JVP has attempted to sever Zionism and Zionists from any left-wing movements for social justice. JVP activists and rally-goers have compared Zionists to Nazis; equated Zionists with terrorists; alleged that one cannot be Zionist and anti-racist; and called for Hillel, the premier Jewish student organization in the U.S., to be “boycotted and isolated” due to its embrace of Zionism.

  • May 18, 2022: At a rally in Washington, D.C. co-sponsored by SJP, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and JVP-DC, an activist told the crowd:
    • “As Muslims, as Arabs, we condemn ISIS because they operate under the guise of Islam…Zionists are likewise fucking terrorists because they operate under the guise of Judaism. They’re not Jewish.” The crowd responded by chanting “Zionists are terrorists.”
  • May 15, 2022: At a rally in New York City hosted by JVP, AMP, PYM, Palestine Solidarity Alliance of Hunter College, NY4Palestine (a collection of groups in which John Jay College SJP is a member) and others, a protestor held a sign reading: “The Nazis are still around, they just call themselves Zionists now.”
Jewish Voice for Peace: What You Need To Know

  • Rabbi David Mivasair, member of JVP’s Rabbinical Council, April 2022:
    • “Hillel has been occupied by Zionism. It was the ‘home for Jewish students on campus’. But, no more. It has been captured by Zionist lobby and turned into propaganda tool. It should be boycotted and isolated.”
  • April 2019: JVP at Portland State University sold t-shirts with inflammatory messages to promote an event with anti-Israel academic Norman Finkelstein. One shirt read:
    • “Israel is a garbage country that’s only loved by garbage people. It was founded on ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and settler-colonialism. Its flag is a symbol of white supremacy.” Another t-shirt proclaimed, “All Zionists are racists. Every single one.”
Jewish Voice for Peace: What You Need To Know



  • November 2020: JVP Bay Area: “you cannot be anti-racist and Zionist."
Jewish Voice for Peace: What You Need To Know



Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP): What You Need to Know | ADL
 

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