Israel at war
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If you believe in Human rights, Democracy, a secular society based on individial freedom, then you have to be willing to fight for it against people who don't
Middle East Muslim don't. They want a caliphate, and all Jews killed or driven out. Its really that simple. There isn't middle ground here. You are are just too scared to admit the truth.
The truth is, given an absolute choice, you would choose Israel. But what you can't fathom is we are at that choice with Hamas. You cling to the notion that because you are reasonable, they must be.
Islamist Hamas is not.
That's you're very self-entitled and totally biased opinion.
How can you isolate Hamas' barbarism from the context of Israel's barbarism?
What's absurd and offensive is your inability or unwillingness to recognize that.
I find it offensive and the typical tactic to try and connect them. You can criticize Israel and it’s policies all you like but they have nothing to do with a barbaric massacre.
It's not a tactic, it's reality.
Funny how you minimize Israel war crimes as just "policies".
You are either totally clued out as to what's been going on prior to the attack or you just don't give a fuck.
I can't believe anyone who knows what's going on could respond like you.
Once again, even the vast majority of Israeli Jews hold their own government responsible.
To say Israel's policies have nothing to do with the massacre is as ignorant a thing as I've heard.
Up to and including war crimes, which don't even exist if you are fighting the right sort of people.
Yes, we get it.
Oh, you're a bastion of moral clarity and political realism.
Yup.
What is this bizarre obsession you have with thinking I'm saying a single fucking thing about Hamas's views on anything?
I am calling you out for saying you think war crimes are justified - or rather - that they just cannot happen by definition in the course of action against Hamas.
Its right here.
You really can't say if you believe Palestinians deserve basic human rights the same way you're afraid to say where the borders of Israel lie.
That's some clear moral turf you're protecting with the IDF.
Palestinians live as stateless refugees on their homeland.
They have no rights, no freedoms and you call them terrorist when they fight for it.
To further clarify against an enemy who will happily die because their religion tells them to war crimes are sadly inevitable by Western standards. When they will happily sacrifice civilians its inevitable.
There are so many people on this board who claim that Palestinians are genocidal maniacs. Its a form of Islamaphobia that's much worse, its actively supporting apartheid and genocide.
Listen to what they say.
They are humans, Palestinian Lives Matter.
A letter to Europe from a Palestinian
I am writing this letter as news continues to reach me of relatives, neighbours, and friends being killed in Gaza.
No mention of Oct. 7
You did not answer my question. You really can't say that you denounce that attack. Actually you support it and by association you support Israel's retaliation on the Gazan people that you knew was coming.
So why are you cherry picking where you want to start from. While we could likely go back further. I think most people could accept 1949.
And why are you conveniently omitting multiple peace agreements broken by Arabs and in particular Hamas.
You seem to support their justification for terrorism, and you seem to think, Israel should just capitulate. Which ultimately will just enable all extremism and encourage all extremist and terrorist in the world. Volence wins, the ends justify the means. And is the path to getting what you want.
Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts
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Like I continually discover, you guys are not the sharpest pencils. In the very first paragraph:
“Since 1948, the Jews have maintained that the Arabs fled, either what is called voluntarily, or because of orders or requests by their leaders inside or outside Palestine. This has been the basis of Israeli propaganda since 1948.”
Even when you have this in front of you, you embrace lies. All of you do this.
“Since 1948, the Jews have maintained that the Arabs fled, either what is called voluntarily, or because of orders or requests by their leaders inside or outside Palestine. This has been the basis of Israeli propaganda since 1948.”
Even when you have this in front of you, you embrace lies. All of you do this.
Klattuu has an even duller pencil, which he uses to try and re-write history. However his eraser is almost gone having been used to heavily wash his brain.
Occupation
After rule by the Ottoman Empire ended there in World War I (1914–18), the Gaza area became part of the League of Nationsmandate of Palestine under British rule. Before this mandate ended, the General Assembly of the United Nations (UN) in November 1947 accepted a plan for the Arab-Jewish partition of Palestine under which the town of Gaza and an area of surrounding territory were to be allotted to the Arabs. The British mandate ended on May 15, 1948, and on that same day the first Arab-Israeli war began. Egyptianforces soon entered the town of Gaza, which became the headquarters of the Egyptian expeditionary force in Palestine. As a result of heavy fighting in autumn 1948, the area around the town under Araboccupation was reduced to a strip of territory 25 miles (40 km) long and 4–5 miles (6–8 km) wide. This area became known as the Gaza Strip. Its boundaries were demarcated in the Egyptian-Israeli armistice agreement of February 24, 1949.
So peace is offered, accepted, and broken, offered and accepted and broken, offered and accepted and broken. By Arabs and Hamas and Palestinians. Nor the fact that even when given what they want, they spill blood.
Poor Klatu neither like history, or beds made, and consequences.
