Israel at war

[basketcase]

#Gaza_Genocide has been trending all week, buddy.
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Yeah. Racists will racist and the ignorant will parrot them. Doesn't change reality.

Are you willing to admit that Hamas are a terrorist group who intentionally targeted Jewish civilians?

Do you care to explain how Hamas' butchery will in any way advance the welfare of Palestinians?

 

[basketcase]

You mean like twice releasing prisoners?
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Holy shit. Are you really claiming that releasing two of the very old women they kidnapped is working towards peace? You're deranged.

 

[basketcase]

I really wonder what was going on in the minds of the Hamas leaders when they were planning the Oct. 7 attack, with its utter inhumanity and viciousness.

Did they really think Israel would turn the other cheek, or just respond in a moderate manner?

Imbeciles, with no concern how Israel's predictable and severe retaliation would affect the innocents of Gaza.

Not to mention the boost they gave to Netanyahu at a time when his general popularity in Israel was waning...

Meshal, safe in his Qatar mansion, already said that Hamas actions demand 'sacrifice'.


The thing I don't get is Hamas' thinking about the results of their violence and terrorism. Insurgency is useful in getting rid of a foreign invader through attrition of morale but they seem not to understand that most Israelis have nowhere else to go. The cynic in me has them understanding anger is a great way to convince people to sacrifice their rights so they accelerate the conflict just to gain more power and money.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Islam is a religion, not a race. That makes it a choice

Yes, exactly!!

Nobody forces you to choose Islam, you are the one who chose it

 

[Butler1000]

Same with Christianity.

Thankfully most Christians and most Muslims don't buy that shit. More accurate to say that some leaders do whatever they can to convince people to accept their rule and religion has traditionally done a very good job of do that. Nothing special about Islam and I see it as almost a geographical accident that the dictators in the ME use Muslim ideology rather than Christianity, communism, or fascism.

Yup. But you just admitted that Islam IS AN AUTHORITARIAN FRIENDLY IDEOLOGY. Appreciate that.

 

[basketcase]

The US and Canada call for a 'pause'.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-airstrike-gaza-hamas-1.7005906

The US knows Netanyahu has no plan other than killing as many as he can.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/washington-israel-military-gaza-analysis-1.7005703

And now you get in trouble in Canada for calling for a ceasefire.
TMU law students face backlash after open letter declares ‘unequivocal support’ for Palestinians
Signed by about 74 students, the letter gave the administration until Friday to call for a ceasefire.

Ah, the fake victimhood. You get in trouble for openly supporting Hamas' actions and refusing to hold them accountable for their choices. That's why you hide behind your anonymous posts to avoid consequences for your continual promotion of hatred.

But considering how many hours a day you spend here, I doubt you have a job that you can get in trouble at.

 

[mandrill]

Yup. But you just admitted that Islam IS AN AUTHORITARIAN FRIENDLY IDEOLOGY. Appreciate that.

No.

All ideologies can be cherry-picked and distorted to serve the needs of an authoritarian regime. Is Christianity really anti gay or anti abortion?.... Depends who you talk to and their other beliefs.

 

[Leimonis]

Why are you still trying to play that stupid game?
We are talking genocide, which is worse than apartheid by 100x and that's worse than targeting civilians by 100x

Oh so targeting civilians is totally okay? Gotcha

 

[Frankfooter]

Yeah. Racists will racist and the ignorant will parrot them. Doesn't change reality.

Are you willing to admit that Hamas are a terrorist group who intentionally targeted Jewish civilians?

Do you care to explain how Hamas' butchery will in any way advance the welfare of Palestinians?

Both Hamas and Israel have committed terrorism by targeting civilians and both should be charged for all war crimes.
You, and all Israeli supporters, want everyone to use the 'terrorist' label. I'll go along with that if you also agree that the Israeli government and army are also terrorists, as they are guilty of the same crimes but on a much, much more massive scale.

Agree?

 

[basketcase]

Yup. But you just admitted that Islam IS AN AUTHORITARIAN FRIENDLY IDEOLOGY. Appreciate that.

Every religion is. Don't know why you think Islam is a special case. The only real difference I see is things like the Magna Carta put cracks into authoritarian rule in the English descended world.

And what's your excuse for China? Is their authoritarian rule the fault of Islam too? And Russia? North Korea? How about majority Christian Eritrea, Equatorial Guinea, Democratic Republic of Congo, CAR, or Burundi? Buddhist Laos?

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh so targeting civilians is totally okay? Gotcha

No, both sides need to be taken to the Hague.
How many times do I have to say that?

But why would you think its ok when Israel targets civilians?
Do you just not think they are people, like Israel?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716924727842001398

 

[basketcase]

Both Hamas and Israel have committed terrorism by targeting civilians and both should be charged for all war crimes.
You, and all Israeli supporters, want everyone to use the 'terrorist' label. I'll go along with that if you also agree that the Israeli government and army are also terrorists, as they are guilty of the same crimes but on a much, much more massive scale.

Agree?

Amazing that you so freely pretend all Israelis are terrorists while claiming it is racist to say Hamas is a terror group. Sorry but Hamas is a terrorist group as we all saw when they committed a major terror attack on Oct. 7. You might support their actions but that doesn't change a thing.

Are you willing to admit that Hamas are a terrorist group who intentionally targeted Jewish civilians?
Do you care to explain how Hamas' butchery will in any way advance the welfare of Palestinians?

 

[basketcase]

Its legit to protest them.
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Still pretending it isn't a racist piece of shit move to blame Jews around the world because Israel responded to Hamas' massive terror attack?

 

[basketcase]

No, both sides need to be taken to the Hague.
How many times do I have to say that?
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It's what you refuse to say. No one believes your Trumpian "both sides" shit.

Are you willing to admit that Hamas are a terrorist group who intentionally targeted Jewish civilians?

Do you care to explain how Hamas' butchery will in any way advance the welfare of Palestinians?

 

[Frankfooter]

Amazing that you so freely pretend all Israelis are terrorists while claiming it is racist to say Hamas is a terror group. Sorry but Hamas is a terrorist group as we all saw when they committed a major terror attack on Oct. 7. You might support their actions but that doesn't change a thing.

Are you willing to admit that Hamas are a terrorist group who intentionally targeted Jewish civilians?
Do you care to explain how Hamas' butchery will in any way advance the welfare of Palestinians?

I said, if you are willing to use the term fairly, using the same definition on both sides, you'll have to label both sides 'terrorist'.
If you agree to that, I'll go along with you.

What I wont do is follow your racist move to claim it only fits Palestinians.

But as a point of order, can you rank these three crimes against humanity by levels of evil?
apartheid
terrorism
genocide

Go ahead.

 

[Frankfooter]

It's what you refuse to say. No one believes your Trumpian "both sides" shit.

Are you willing to admit that Hamas are a terrorist group who intentionally targeted Jewish civilians?

Do you care to explain how Hamas' butchery will in any way advance the welfare of Palestinians?

Nobody believes your racist definition, basketcase.
Make a case, set the definition and we'll apply it fairly to both sides and see who you think are 'terrorists'.

Otherwise you're just another Islamaphobie, out trying to dehumanize an indigenous population.

 

[Butler1000]

So where is the evidence for "They tried to introduce Sharia Law"? Seems like 25 protestors at a consulate and a recommendation by a MP.

Also see basketcase's post - "......they suggested giving the same rights to the Muslim community that the Christian and Jewish communities already had to voluntary arbitration on minor family matters."

So again, where is the dangerous Taliban style Sharia Law that you are referring to?

Slippery slope.

Here is what happens with a foothold

‘Shame and humiliation’: Aceh’s Islamic law violates human rights

Punishments under Sharia are rooted in cultural traditions and few are willing to speak publicly against it.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Butler1000]

Every religion is. Don't know why you think Islam is a special case. The only real difference I see is things like the Magna Carta put cracks into authoritarian rule in the English descended world.

And what's your excuse for China? Is their authoritarian rule the fault of Islam too? And Russia? North Korea? How about majority Christian Eritrea, Equatorial Guinea, Democratic Republic of Congo, CAR, or Burundi? Buddhist Laos?

As you said, different tools, same result. In the ME its Islam. Thats this thread. Start one about China if they attack Taiwan and I will happily vilify the CCP.

Happy to also discuss the bad role of the Orthodox Church in Russia as well. Or Evangelicals in the USA on a variety of issues. Or some African nations using Christianity aganst gay people.

But we don't have priests as Judges. They do.

 

[basketcase]

I said, if you are willing to use the term fairly, using the same definition on both sides, you'll have to label both sides 'terrorist'.
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Take your own advice. You have made clear that in your definition, terrorism is anything that Israel does as you have shown when you've accused Israel of terrorism for shooting back at PIJ fighters. At the same time you keep denying that there are Palestinian terrorists, going so far as claiming it is racist to say they are. So what if Hamas set out to butcher and kidnap as many Jewish civilians as possible.

My definition of terrorism is in line with Canada's.

Currently listed entities

Introduction to the terms of reference and listing of terrorist entities according to Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act

www.publicsafety.gc.ca

 

[basketcase]

As you said, different tools, same result. In the ME its Islam. Thats this thread. Start one about China if they attack Taiwan and I will happily vilify the CCP.

Happy to also discuss the bad role of the Orthodox Church in Russia as well. Or Evangelicals in the USA on a variety of issues. Or some African nations using Christianity aganst gay people.

Strange because you were just arguing that it was Islam that caused that authoritarianism. No point in trying to change the topic now just because you were smacked in the face with communist, Christian, and Buddhist authoritarians.