Israel at war

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Nah franky...had it been reversed and Hamas are much more powerful than Israel, Jews would've been extinct early 1900s....
One the many cliches of the brainwashed.
 

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Despite the undeniable evidence that Hamas commited atrocities to civilians
Trying to get up to date. Has Frankfooter admitted that he's wrong and that Hamas was responsible for the attack on the hospital? Or does he still believe Israel fired the missile ?


News outlets backtrack on Gaza blast after relying on Hamas as key source.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/24/1208075395/israel-gaza-hospital-strike-media-nyt-apology
Looks like you missed how cracks are emerging in story

 

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Mohamed Deif explained it clearly and simply. Nothing complicated.

HAMAS wishes to jihad Israel into non existence. HAMAS will kill all Israelis if possible.

Antisemitism
Ideology

The 1988 Charter claimed that the Jews deserved God's/Allah's enmity and wrath because they received the Scriptures but violated its sacred texts, disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew their own prophets.[36] It quotes a saying of Muhammad from a hadith:


The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.
— Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.[1]
Criticism by American analysts

Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic magazine, criticized the founding charter of Hamas by labelling it as a "genocidal" document and compared it to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Referring to the charter in an article in The New Yorker magizine, American commentator Philip Gourevitch accused Hamas leadership of having "genocidal" intentions against Jews.[8][9] According to Bruce Hoffman, the Hamas Charter exhibits "genocidal intentions".[37]

Militant Jihad

The 1988 Charter went further in detailing how Jihad against the Jews was a duty. "The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters."[1]

Antisemitic canards

The 1988 charter contained references to antisemitic canards, such as the assertion that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Jews were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution.


With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.[1]
It continued by accusing the Jews of engineering World War I as a pretext to abolish the Caliphate, create the League of Nations, and influence the British government into drafting the Balfour Declaration.[1] It echoed Nazi propaganda in claiming that Jews profited during World War II.[38]

Equivalence of anti-Zionism and antisemitism

Historian Jeffrey Herf argued that unlike the PLO, which has distinguished their national struggle against Zionism from general antisemitism, Hamas, in their 1988 covenant, purposefully fused these two struggles into one against the Jews and their country.[38]

In contrast, the 2017 covenant denies the connection in its only direct mention of Jews:

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.[39][40]
 

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You mean the terrorist explained why he planned and executed a terror attack and killed 1400 people, and that justifies the terror attack because the terrorist said so?
Sadly, everything he cited has been verified. Only the brainwashed would not be aware of the reality he cited.
 

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What has he cited? The settler attacks? The Al-Aqsa thing?

They still do not justify the mass murdering of Israeli civilians.

And also, even morally, since when do we take what terrorists have to say seriously?
Why should you take what he says seriously? Because it’s all true and verified It’s all rooted in the 75 year reality that all Palestinians endure….living Like dogs while they are ruled they are occupied, humiliated, ethically cleansed, murdered and terrorized off their land in the name of Eretz Israel.

But why listen to the truth when you can just label someone. Just another way of ignoring Palestinians.
 
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This is Jewish Supremacist speech. This the language of genocide. That anyone can utter such moronic racist thoughts in 2023 is beyond belief. All his education about the holocaust or visits to Yad Vashem are meaningless.

 
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My question was - Where is the evidence that someone was trying to introduce, a Taliban style Sharia that prohibits you from listening to music, prohibits women from going to schools, justifies domestic violence etc in Ontario ?

So how is an MP's recommendation to use Sharia Law for arbitration on small family matters as an extension to the 1991 arbitration law, that allowed other religions to participate in faith based arbitration, an attempt to introduce "Taliban style Sharia Law"?
Show me where I said "Taliban style". Beyond that I don't believe ANY religious subtext belongs in the civil or criminal justice system. They all started from it but have moved well past it now. Justice systems above all else need to be equal.
 

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The oppression and apartheid is true. I won't even go into terrorism, attacks from neighboring Arab nations etc that have transpired throughout the last 75 years, which further resulted in measures taken by Israel to keep itself safe, which consequently resulted in more oppression.

But how does Israel's oppression justify the mass murder of 1400 Israeli civilians who were specifically targeted ?
Endless Brainwashing. Israel has never oppressed anyone to protect themselves. That’s a central myth of the brainwashed. They have only oppressed to ethically cleanse and make the lives of Palestinians so miserable and disgusting they give up and leave. They oppress andpunish the Palestinians for daring to think they are entitled to freedom, their lands, and their lives. They murder and maim Palestinians for the same reasons. They practice apartheid because they are impatient to rid themselves of Palestinians.

Hamas and Mohamed Deif explicitly and clearly articulated why this happened and what their goal Is. They proclaimed they have had enough. Enough. No more. And from what I’m seeing, they seem to have set in motion events that will lead to a better future for Palestinians. One thing is for sure, Israels status is forever diminished.
 

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Show me where I said "Taliban style". Beyond that I don't believe ANY religious subtext belongs in the civil or criminal justice system. They all started from it but have moved well past it now. Justice systems above all else need to be equal.
And that's what the Ontario government said too. In 2005. That ended the debate - apart from you bringing it up.
 
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Endless Brainwashing. Israel has never oppressed anyone to protect themselves. That’s a central myth of the brainwashed. They have only oppressed to ethically cleanse and make the lives of Palestinians so miserable and disgusting they give up and leave. They oppress andpunish the Palestinians for daring to think they are entitled to freedom, their lands, and their lives. They murder and maim Palestinians for the same reasons. They practice apartheid because they are impatient to rid themselves of Palestinians.

Hamas and Mohamed Deif explicitly and clearly articulated why this happened and what their goal Is. They proclaimed they have had enough. Enough. No more. And from what I’m seeing, they seem to have set in motion events that will lead to a better future for Palestinians. One thing is for sure, Israels status is forever diminished.
 
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