The collapse of the Russian Navy
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Less as time goes on.
ORYX lists 11 russian ships confirmed destoyed and 5 as damaged and out of action.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/03/list-of-naval-losses-during-2022.html
This doesn't include the two Serna class landing crafts just hit on Friday, with satellite images showing, as of yesterday, one sunk and the other half way there.
It also doesn't include the Karakurt class corvette confirmed damaged in Kerch by Russian officials, satellite and ground imagery is inconclusive but some experts say it is damaged beyond repair.
This ship, the Askold, was just launched and had not even been commisioned yet.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/11/06/ukraine-hit-a-russian-missile-corvette-parked-at-the-plant/
Not too shabby for a country without a powerful navy.
I guess the moral of the story is that unless the navy is at sea and moving, it's not going to be survivable for long.
If a non naval power like Ukraine can sink a Russian fleet, imagine what a more technologically advanced power could do to the Russian fleet?!
If a non naval power like Ukraine can sink a Russian fleet, imagine what a more technologically advanced power could do to the Russian fleet?!
Russia's navy has never been that great. They built a lot of subs and surface ships, had a few technical innovations, but, like most things in their military, a lot of it has rotted from mismanagement and neglect. They don't really have a lot of super modern equipment that can counteract Ukraine's drones or missiles. Now, I'd be curious to know what the US Navy'd capabilities are in stopping this type of attack, say from Iran in the Persian Gulf....
At the beginning of 2023, Russia had 49 surface warships (surface combatants, amphibious, mine warfare) plus support and auxiliaries with 5 submarines.
Some of these have since been destroyed or damaged.
There is at least one US Ohio class submarine currently in the Meditranean equipped with 154 Tomohawk missiles capable of hitting ships at sea or in ports in the Black sea.
https://www.firstpost.com/world/us-deploys-guided-missile-submarine-in-mediterranean-sea-13353622.html#:~:text=US%20deploys%20guided%20missile%20submarine%20in%20Mediterranean%20sea,-US%20Navy's%20newest&text=A%20submarine%20of%20the%20Ohio,conflict%20between%20Israel%20and%2
Despite it being capable of carrying nuclear weapons it is not.
"The 1994 Nuclear Posture Review determined that the United States needed only 14 of its 18 SSBNs to meet the nation’s strategic force needs. Therefore, the Navy decided to transform four Ohio-class submarines into conventional land attack and SOF platforms."
https://www.military.com/equipment/ssgn-ohio-class-guided-missile-submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile
One US Destroyer, the USS Carney patrolling the Northern Red Sea, downed 4 cruise missiles and 14 drones on a Thursday evening in October fired from Yemen at Israel, that were supplied by Iran to the Houthis.
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-us-navy-destroyer-red-sea/story?id=104147141
Yes, but those were not missiles designed to kill a naval warship. Those types of missiles fly really close to the water to avoid some of the anti-air defences. I feel that the Americans probably have a number of counter measures that would defeat them, but you never really know its capabilities until it's used in action.
Here you are.
https://warriormaven.com/global-sec...p-missiles-vs-us-navy-carriers-in-middle-east
"Destroyers protecting Carriers in Carrier Strike Groups now operate with a new generation of ship-protection technologies, the specifics of which are often not available for security reasons. US Navy DDG 51 Arleigh Burke class destroyers are now armed with lasers, improved range high-fidelity radar, upgraded interceptors and a new generation of more precise electronic warfare technology called SEWIP Block III. Closer in interceptors such as SeaRAM, Rolling AirFrame Missile and Close-in-Weapons System have also been upgraded as well."
This examinantion on the declassified defense of naval task forces from anti-ship missile attack is 24 years old but provides an understanding of what technologies were available 2 decades ago.
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA363038.pdf
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Before he left office, President Obama bequeathed Ukraine with the 16" guns of the USS Missouri. The Ukrainians installed them in the hills of Odesa between the city and the port. Putin was looking for a quick victory when he took Snake Island. If he could take Odesa, Ukraine would surrender. The sailors of the Russian war ships were in a jovial mood, victory was theirs. Then the 16" guns opened fire, within minutes over half of the Black Sea Fleet was destroyed. Putin was enraged, he called the Ukrainians terrorists.
The USS Mason, was targeted by Houtis in 2016 with anti ship missiles on two seperate occasions over a period of 4 days.
In the first attack two Iranian made anti ship missiles were used.
" As for the October 9 attack, an antishipping missile was fired toward the Mason at around 7 pm, followed by a second missile sixty minutes later. To counter the attack, the ship fired two Standard Missile 2 interceptors and one RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM); it also activated a Nulka hovering "seduction" decoy to draw the missiles away. The SLQ-32(V) electronic countermeasures suite may have been used as well, along with super rapid bloom offboard countermeasures (SRBOC) chaff and decoy launching systems. The ship's "hard defense" systems -- such as the Phalanx close-in weapons system (CIWS) and the Mark 45 Mod 4 surface gun -- did not open fire. Both missiles appear to have crashed into the sea, whether due to U.S. countermeasures or malfunction. "
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org...ttacks-uss-mason-principles-guide-us-response
Damaged by Russian officials? There were reported divisions, but I had no idea...Less as time goes on.
ORYX lists 11 russian ships confirmed destoyed and 5 as damaged and out of action.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/03/list-of-naval-losses-during-2022.html
This doesn't include the two Serna class landing crafts just hit on Friday, with satellite images showing, as of yesterday, one sunk and the other half way there.
It also doesn't include the Karakurt class corvette confirmed damaged in Kerch by Russian officials, satellite and ground imagery is inconclusive but some experts say it is damaged beyond repair.
This ship, the Askold, was just launched and had not even been commisioned yet.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/11/06/ukraine-hit-a-russian-missile-corvette-parked-at-the-plant/
Not too shabby for a country without a powerful navy.
The other problem…. Russia has has 4 major Sea’s to patrol, so mobilizing large force has always been an issue. Getting subs from the Arctic Ocean to the Black Sea takes time… and Combat situations don’t usually allow that.
This is precisely why the US build the Panama Canal. They understood time.
This is precisely why the US build the Panama Canal. They understood time.
Send the Baltic fleet to the pacific, it will be fine, it's only the Japanese, what's the worse that can happen
Also Turkey controls the access to the African American Sea and there are rules. I don't remember what they are but pretty sure if they tried to send their entire Baltic and North Sea fleets into the African American Sea, they could be refused/not allowed to or something. Not going to bother looking it up someone more keen on international ape law will pine in I am sure.
Never mind in a war situation with say NATO, all the fleet would be pretty much on their own. Nothing is getting in or out of the Baltic or the AA sea, and the other two fleets would have to run a gauntlet to support the other.
