Mr. Trudeau Not doing So Well In Latest Poll

[Not getting younger]

The Liberal MPs have learned that if they cry loud enough about their leaders and whine about potentially losing their seats, they get things like cancelled gas plants and carbon tax exemptions for their constituents.

I’ll go further and suggest a large segment of the population is like Frank. Disadvantaged and not remotely politically aware. Somehow think a change in leadership changes a parties stripes, or culture.

If a world renowned very left wing economist ripping them new ones and raises a nuclear red flag. That’s goes
/whoosh

See also
Mel Lastman, Bill Blair, Barbara Hall, miller and Tory, Rob Ford, JT, Dalton McGoofy, Wynne, Bob Rae,

I have no problems admitting I voted for Chrétien and Harper. They atleast had functioning brains and were ok.

 

[DesRicardo]

 

[Frankfooter]

I’ll go further and suggest a large segment of the population is like Frank.

Yes, my views are more representative of the population than yours.

 

[Not getting younger]

Yes, my views are more representative of the population than yours.

1) obviously you’re so politically unaware and disadvantaged you can’t grasp current polls and how bad they are, and the major issues. Ding a ling, we have a real winner here.

2) If, just if, and that’s a huge IF given #1. Your right. Well you just proved my point.

That a large chuck of the voting public are disadvantaged and political flat earthers like you, that don’t have a clue about reality.

 

[The Oracle]

 

[NotADcotor]

Yes, my views are more representative of the population than yours.

That isn't something to be proud of. The population are ignorant and self centered.
Of course you don't know this because well. <Looks above>

 

[Frankfooter]

1) obviously you’re so politically unaware and disadvantaged you can’t grasp current polls and how bad they are, and the major issues. Ding a ling, we have a real winner here.

2) If, just if, and that’s a huge IF given #1. Your right. Well you just proved my point.

That a large chuck of the voting public are disadvantaged and political flat earthers like you, that don’t have a clue about reality.

Political flat earthers?
Explain provide evidence to back up this claim.

 

[Valcazar]

Found this anyway, not worth spending more time looking for.

'Bad news across the board for Trudeau’: Conservatives would win 217 seats if an election held today, according to new Innovative Research poll

In the leadership attributes, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is trailing Pierre Poilievre by a double-digit margin, says Innovative Research president Greg Lyle.

www.hilltimes.com

Thanks.
Different group, but very similar results from around the same time.
Makes it seem that at worst case, the 222 in the meme picture is outer edge of the MOE of a real poll and not just random bullshit.

 

[Not getting younger]

Thanks.
Different group, but very similar results from around the same time.
Makes it seem that at worst case, the 222 in the meme picture is outer edge of the MOE of a real poll and not just random bullshit.

No problem.
And I think we both know, gauging public sentiment and popular votes is a far cry different than predicting the end results.

Assuming no major changes here. Which given the available information today is only far more likely to get worse than better. There aren’t enough seats in the GTA to be bought to save their sorry asses this time.

The middle is Fing sick of them and taking it on the chin. People also need to think about apathy and voter turnout. And what upticks in turn out mean.

As far as you guys go. While I feel for you. I have more faith in your “middle”, than ours. “Fear and greed”

 

[Valcazar]

No problem.
And I think we both know, gauging public sentiment and popular votes is a far cry different than predicting the end results.

Seat count depends primarily on distribution of votes.
FPTP with single member districts is a pretty terrible system.

You look at a group doing poll aggregation like 338 Canada and you get the wide range error bars of 164-220 right now.
So this looks like people cherry picking the outer edge, which makes sense for a partisan spin.

Assuming no major changes here. Which given the available information today is only far more likely to get worse than better. There aren’t enough seats in the GTA to be bought to save their sorry asses this time.

Not convinced it will get worse. Very hard to predict over a year or so and the last time anyone broke 200 was 40 years ago or so, right?
But we are at the 10 year "we're sick of this group, flip to the other side" range we've been working with for a couple of generations, so I would be genuinely shocked if the Liberals hung on to power.

As far as you guys go. While I feel for you. I have more faith in your “middle”, than ours. “Fear and greed”

I have more faith in the Canadian middle than the American one, personally.
Voter turnout here has been 58-68% of eligible voters over the last quarter century while in the US it's been 55-60% (With spikes over that in 2008 and 2020.)
I think more turnout tends to mean more of the middle showing up.

 

[Valcazar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1751246821043622091

Politics in Canada – Mark Carney News – CTV News

Today's political news, including the latest on Prime Minister Mark Carney, Pierre Poilievre, government policies and more.

www.ctvnews.ca

From the article:

Specifically, the Liberals and New Democrats agreed to explore:

• Allowing an "expanded" three-day voting period during general elections;
• Allowing voters to cast their ballots at any polling place within their riding; and
• Improving the mail-in ballot process with both accessibility and maintaining integrity in mind.

Those all seem reasonable and good, but unfortunately don't address the much larger problem of the FPTP single member districts.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753511393582518432

He can't even hammer in a nail,lol...

 

[Frankfooter]

From the article:

Specifically, the Liberals and New Democrats agreed to explore:

• Allowing an "expanded" three-day voting period during general elections;
• Allowing voters to cast their ballots at any polling place within their riding; and
• Improving the mail-in ballot process with both accessibility and maintaining integrity in mind.

Those all seem reasonable and good, but unfortunately don't address the much larger problem of the FPTP single member districts.

Someone most of told Trudeau that FPTP would likely mean eternal minority governments.

 

[omegaphallic]

Someone most of told Trudeau that FPTP would likely mean eternal minority governments.

Yeah Trudeau HATES being made to be even remotely useful.

 

[squeezer]

Inch by inch, wipe by wipe to clean the piss stain away......

 

[mandrill]

Someone most of told Trudeau that FPTP would likely mean eternal minority governments.

It means fragmenting of the political party system and unavoidable coalition governments after every election. Like Italy.

It's even worse than FPTP, which is why the Libs are not interested. The Tories will whine about anything the Libs don't do and the NDP and BQ and Greens would DIE to have proportionate representation for obvious reasons.

 

[Butler1000]

From the article:

Specifically, the Liberals and New Democrats agreed to explore:

• Allowing an "expanded" three-day voting period during general elections;
• Allowing voters to cast their ballots at any polling place within their riding; and
• Improving the mail-in ballot process with both accessibility and maintaining integrity in mind.

Those all seem reasonable and good, but unfortunately don't address the much larger problem of the FPTP single member districts.

I have a problem with the tracking on multiple polling places. Its all manual right now. And hoing electronic would assuredly be problematic. Mail in, multiple days are fine.

And Trudeau wants Ranked ballot. The people want proportional rep. That's why he didn't change it.

 

[Valcazar]

Someone most of told Trudeau that FPTP would likely mean eternal minority governments.

Just the opposite.
FPTP tends to produce majority, non-coalition governments.
That's one of the arguments people use in its favour.

 

[Valcazar]

I have a problem with the tracking on multiple polling places. Its all manual right now. And hoing electronic would assuredly be problematic. Mail in, multiple days are fine.

I don't think the multiple polling places causes a significantly increased risk of tracking who voted, but I'd be ok with making that the lower priority.

And Trudeau wants Ranked ballot. The people want proportional rep. That's why he didn't change it.

Trudeau wants Single Transferable Vote. (I know people just say "ranked ballot" but there are multiple different ranked ballot systems.)
Has proportional representation ever gotten majority support in any Canadian polling?
Even as a general concept (let's leave out the many different ways it could be approached and how that might split votes).

 

[Skoob]

Trudeau has conveniently dodged electoral reform as a campaign promise for years...only now, when he's about to have his house of shit go up in flames is he considering tinkering.

You can bet he'll push whatever his masters tell him would be best for him and not because it's the best for the country.