Biden vs Trump debate June 27

[Phil C. McNasty]

Trump is all about revenge and hate. In our short history on this planet, no human being has ever seen anything good coming out of hate

Going by some of the Lefty posters here on Terb I'd say most left-wingers are just as hateful as some right-wingers, if not more so

 

[WyattEarp]

Kind of funny.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1806719753131585673

 

[mandrill]

No one has to like their leader, but some of us want to know who's calling the shots.

Fair enough indeed!

At least with Trump, you know it's Putin and any other sleazebag dictator who'll make a few big deposits in the Orange Guy's bank account.

 

[jalimon]

Going by some of the Lefty posters here on Terb I'd say most left-wingers are just as hateful as some right-wingers, if not more so

I think the difference is that we lefties understand that a huge change of our paradigm in our society is needed.

Boomers made a fortune. They were able to put 4 kids to university, get a big house, a small shack for fishing, 2 cars... all out of a single job selling tv or aspirators... Their properties made them instant millionaires.

Yet these fuckers are still leading political party!!! what the fuck! They are out of it.

My niece just quit a teaching job in montreal to accept one 3 hours away because a teaching job cannot make you live in montreal.

When a society cannot afford to make it decent for ordinary people it will crumble. Violence will settle and everyone will complain what the fuck why...

Blame me as a leftist all you want. If you don't understand this I dont care.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Right wingers hate people who are different than them and changing cultural values. Left wingers justifiably hate, that right wing hatred.

2 things:

1. When you hate back you become a hater as well. So you're no better.
2. You stereotype all right-wingers as the same. Thats the same as saying all blacks are criminals ,or all east-Indians are dirty and smelly

 

[Knuckle Ball]

2 things:

1. When you hate back you become a hater as well. So you're no better.

In WWII, I hate what the Nazis did. I don’t think that makes me a hater who is just as bad as the Nazis.

2. You stereotype all right-wingers as the same. Thats the same as saying all blacks are criminals ,or all east-Indians are dirty and smelly

People don’t choose their skin colour. Aligning oneself with a fascist political organization is a choice.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

1. I hate Hitler. Does that make me a "hater"? Not all hate is bad. Some are justified

I you want to hate Hitler thats fine, but when you hate all Germans for what Hitler did then that would make you a bigot

2. Well it is true that there are left wingers on this very board who say hateful things against, Palestinians or Muslims for example. That would infact make them haters. But the majority of the time the hate towards people and culture, are observed to come from the right

This is a bigoted statement, because you didnt say some on the Right, you said the Right period

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

People don’t choose their skin colour. Aligning oneself with a fascist political organization is a choice

Which fascist political organization are you referring to??

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Which fascist political organization are you referring to??

MAGA/GOP

Also…any Canadian politician who supports The Klown Konvoy.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

MAGA/GOP

Thats what I thought. So basically you're saying half the US population is fascist, which is a bigoted statement to make

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Thats what I thought. So basically you're saying half the US population is fascist, which is a bigoted statement to make

I also added any Canadian politician who supports the Klown Konvoy to my earlier post.

And yes…it is entirely accurate to say that about half the American population supports fascism. That is an objectively true statement. I will never understand why you guys don’t just step up and own your pov.

At least guys like Steve Bannon and Seb Gorky step up and make no apologies for what they have to say. I can almost respect that in a weird kinda way.

It’s this other constant passive-aggressive doing fascist things and supporting fascist talking points while claiming not to be a fascist that has become a tediously loathsome part of today’s discourse. It is what it is.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You said when you hate back you are a hater. I am saying hate is sometimes justified and left wingers usually hate for the right reasons

The KKK justifies their hatred for blacks because in their opinion they commit so much crime.
So are you saying the KKK is therefore justified in their hatred as well??

I didn't say some right wingers, because it is most right wingers that subscribe to such ideals

Thats still a bigoted statement

Its not a bigoted statement to make. The MAGA leader openly says hateful things about immigrants, muslims etc and whether it is 10% of the country, or 50%, they are at the end of the day cheering for it and showing agreement. So hatred for MAGA is justified. Hatred displayed by the MAGA crowd on the other hand is unwarranted and therefore hateful

Trump said he wants to limit immigration from specific muslim countries because they pose a security risk.
He also said Mexicans send their rapists because its true: https://www.newsmax.com/danperkins/border-immigration-human-trafficking/2018/06/26/id/868406/

NOTE: he didnt say all Mexicans are rapists because he followed it up by saying "I'm sure some are good people"

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I also added any Canadian politician who supports the Klown Konvoy to my earlier post.

And yes…it is entirely accurate to say that about half the American population supports fascism. That is an objectively true statement. I will never understand why you guys don’t just step up and own your pov

Because there's nothing to own up to.

I believe in strong borders, but I would never want to close them off for all immigrants.
I also support curtailing muslim immigration from countries that are hotbeds for terrorism, but I would never be against all immigration from all muslim countries.

These are the exact same thing Trump espouses to

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Here's the Huffington Post article Trump was referring to (Huff Post btw is very left-wing news outlet)

80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.

80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Because there's nothing to own up to.

I believe in strong borders, but I would never want to close them off for all immigrants.
I also support curtailing muslim immigration from countries that are hotbeds for terrorism, but I would never be against all immigration from all muslim countries.

These are the exact same thing Trump espouses to

The things you are describing are all things Trump tried to do in 2017. Trump’s Muslim ban was jammed up in the courts for months because it was so blatantly racist and unconstitutional.

At some point, if you support a fascist that pretty much means you’re a fascist too…and continuing to deny this obvious truth is exactly the kinda bs I am talking about.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No, The KKK does not hate blacks because they think they commit crime. They hate blacks because they think they are sub-human and consider them to be genetically predisposed to crime. That is a hateful characterization of an entire demographic group and that is why they are a hate group.

Hating a specific black criminal for a crime however, would not be hateful. That is not what the KKK is doing.

So hating the KKK is justified. KKK's hate on the other hand is not.

No, it is not.

Trump wanted a Muslim registry along with a Muslim ban. The registry did not come to fruition and Biden reversed the muslim ban executive order. Since then were no security risks that transpired from those countries. So clearly he was in the wrong and his efforts to limit immigration from those countries was borne out of pure hate.

Even using your own article you have presented defeats Trump's assertion you are trying to defend which is that most Mexicans migrants are rapists. The article shows that the majority of migrants tend to be victims of crimes, not perpetrators. So this was clearly hateful ethnic stereotyping and demonization of migrants and assylum seekers by Trump

Did you read this article I posted??

80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.

80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.

www.huffpost.com

80% of migrant women are raped by Mexicans

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The things you are describing are all things Trump tried to do in 2017. Trump’s Muslim ban was jammed up in the courts for months because it was so blatantly racist and unconstitutional.

At some point, if you support a fascist that pretty much means you’re a fascist too…and continuing to deny this obvious truth is exactly the kinda bs I am talking about

Trump did get the ban through.
If I remember correctly it was 5 or 6 Muslim countries that were banned from traveling to the US.

This was at a time when there was a lot of terrorism committed by Muslims around the world.
I don't blame Trump one bit for that ban

 

[Leimonis]

This was at a time when there was a lot of terrorism committed by Muslims around the world.

I don’t remember any other time just saying

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Trump did get the ban through.
If I remember correctly it was 5 or 6 Muslim countries that were banned from traveling to the US.

This was at a time when there was a lot of terrorism committed by Muslims around the world.
I don't blame Trump one bit for that ban

Fascists always claim to have reasons that justify their fascism. It doesn’t mitigate the fact that it is still fascism.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Fascists always claim to have reasons that justify their fascism. It doesn’t mitigate the fact that it is still fascism

Keeping the country safe has nothing to do with fascism