Trump on Joe Rogan

[WyattEarp]

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Trump on anti-vaxxer RFK Jr.: “I'm gonna let him go wild on health. I'm gonna let him go wild on the food. I'm gonna let him go wild on medicines.”

This is the same MSG appearance that featured screens with Ivermectin ads during the festivities.

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You have to admit the FDA doesn't have the best record. OyContin anyone?

 

[Valcazar]

I think people are beyond fact checking Trump at this point. lol.

People still fact check Trump, they just know that it is meaningless for most of his audience.
Neither Rogan or Trump care much about facts, so pointing our all the things they got wrong (either deliberately or by accident) over three hours doesn't really matter to the people who were keen to listen to them. (Since those people also don't care about facts.)

 

[WyattEarp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850636282331808024

Oh this is bad. I think CNN's going to fire Chris Cuomo.

 

[squeezer]

If you really want to be offended, you should find and post Hinchcliffe's Puerto Rico joke which doesn't really land. Republican leaders basically said it was a terrible joke and denounced it. These things will happen when you fill an arena and mix entertainment with politics.

It was posted right here for everyone's viewing pleasure! Republican leaders, hmmmm, what about Trump and Vance, has either of them denounced it? If so, please provide the link. I do suspect Trump will in a lack luster fashion denounce it from fear of losing some Latino votes.

I also hope he brings more comedians making jokes about watermelon, maybe a fried chicken off-the-cuff remark, I think it's a great idea to do more of this before Nov, 5th.

There goes the Latino vote.

"Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage"

and with that, bye bye Latino vote

 

[Valcazar]

Listening to him he's calm and having a conversation with Joe. Joe is sucking up to him and feeding him very easy questions and I'm sure he was told by Joe and his team to just have a conversation. He lying as always but doing it very calmly. He's actually doing well but this podcast won't change anyone's mind. The Trump voters are going to still vote for him and the Harris voters are not, it will come down to which base gets most of their voters out and which candidate picks up most of the undecided if any are left.

I think it is mostly a soft win for Trump.

He didn't fuck up wildly and provide some kind of viral clip that made him look terrible.

It was about what I expected - pretty boring and with no real news value. Lots of lying and no real fact checking. People will view it as good or bad based on how they already feel about how Trump talks and what he says.

Would it convince someone to switch votes in either direction? I doubt it a lot.

But it may have shored up someone who mostly wanted to vote Trump but was doubting after some recent news reports that "yeah, it's ok to go ahead and vote the way I wanted to in the first place".

And that's not nothing.

So it isn't going to move the needle much but may help stop him from losing some votes.
That's useful to him.

 

[squeezer]

I think it is mostly a soft win for Trump.

He didn't fuck up wildly and provide some kind of viral clip that made him look terrible.

It was about what I expected - pretty boring and with no real news value. Lots of lying and no real fact checking. People will view it as good or bad based on how they already feel about how Trump talks and what he says.

Would it convince someone to switch votes in either direction? I doubt it a lot.

But it may have shored up someone who mostly wanted to vote Trump but was doubting after some recent news reports that "yeah, it's ok to go ahead and vote the way I wanted to in the first place".

And that's not nothing.

So it isn't going to move the needle much but may help stop him from losing some votes.
That's useful to him.

Yeah, I completely agree and it already seems the interview has lost the media's attention and all have moved on.

 

[Valcazar]

From a tactical perspective, I think Kamala let this dance with Rogan corner her into a bad position. If she doesn't go on, she looks weak. If she does go on, she now looks desperate.

Her campaign should have determined earlier that she was going to do the show or not do the show. Then she should have just stuck with that decision.

The question then would be who leaked to the press that she was in talks with Rogan to do the show?
As mentioned, Rogan had refused Trump many times before this, so what made Rogan change his mind?

 

[Valcazar]

I don't think anyone who is voting for Harris is making their decision based on a perceived fascist threat under Trump.

You would be wrong.

 

[WyattEarp]

There goes the Latino vote.

"Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage"

and with that, bye bye Latino vote

I know it's not your intention to offend anyone with generalizations. However, Latinos don't really identify as a group beyond a connection to the Spanish language and perhaps some food ingredients.

So if you offend Puerto Ricans, Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Venezolano-Americans are not really going to react.

As far as the island of Puerto Rico, it is a fucked up and corrupt island. It has the bad government curse of its Spanish colonial legacy. It's propped up by U.S. government money and mainland Americans who buy homes and spend money.

Apart from it's dire political situation, it's really quite beautiful. Before you slide down the Puerto Rican independence track, most Boricua know they couldn't really thrive without U.S. support and ties.

 

[Butler1000]

Better than showing a lack of reading comprehension.

It's amazing how you got owned by your own post, but just can't suck it up.

Homeland Security Pick Gen. John Kelly Fails to Disclose Ties to Defense Contractors

Kelly didn't disclose he was vice chairman at the Spectrum Group. Now we've found him listed on the boards of two defense contractors he didn't disclose either.

theintercept.com

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/john-kelly-resign-dhs-contractor-233410

Here are two more articles where it is proven he worked for multiple defense contractors prior to being Trump's chief of staff.

Including a failure to disclose them.

How your reading comprehension?

 

[Valcazar]

Muslims are voting for Stein, not Trump. Muslims hate Trump. I am talking about the consequences of doing so.

There are absolutely Muslims voting for Trump.
There are even Muslims voting for Trump because of Gaza.

 

[WyattEarp]

The question then would be who leaked to the press that she was in talks with Rogan to do the show?
As mentioned, Rogan had refused Trump many times before this, so what made Rogan change his mind?

I don't know. My point still stands. You probably don't want to flirt with doing the Rogan podcast unless you really want to do it. Everything leaks these days.

Just after Trump was on, Rogan was asked by some comedian panelists is she coming. He said they are still talking. They asked two, three hours? He didn't think that long. They joked 22 minutes. Rogan quickly responded that it would have to be an hour.

Now we don't know what this response actually means, but one might surmise Rogan and Harris' team are talking and the length of time is a negotiating point.

 

[WyattEarp]

There are absolutely Muslims voting for Trump.
There are even Muslims voting for Trump because of Gaza.

There were Muslims who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020.

 

[Valcazar]

It's amazing how the Republican Party has morphed into the sane progressive party.

The seismic shift happened because of Trump.

The level of disconnect from reality you have is s-tier.

 

[WyattEarp]

You would be wrong.

I disagree. I know a lot of people. The only ones I know that are raising the fascist issue never voted for Trump in 2016 or 2020.

I'm sure there are a very small group of people that are persuaded by this argument. However, the polling strongly suggests the argument that Democracy is under threat is not landing.

If anything, "Fascist", "Hitler" are great rallying cries to motivate liberal voters. And because the Democrats have put this into the news, the liberal media echo chamber can repeat this over and over again in their newscasts for the next week.

 

[Valcazar]

Yeah, I completely agree and it already seems the interview has lost the media's attention and all have moved on.

I don't think clips went viral in either direction.
I certainly haven't noticed anything that is THE CLIP from the show

 

[Valcazar]

I don't know. My point still stands. You probably don't want to flirt with doing the Rogan podcast unless you really want to do it. Everything leaks these days.

But who says she didn't really want to do it?

They couldn't schedule it.
Should people have not leaked it if they were in even very preliminary talks?
Maybe not.
The question is who did that?

Just after Trump was on, Rogan was asked by some comedian panelists is she coming. He said they are still talking. They asked two, three hours? He didn't think that long. They joked 22 minutes. Rogan quickly responded that it would have to be an hour.

Now we don't know what this response actually means, but one might surmise Rogan and Harris' team are talking and the length of time is a negotiating point.

Which is what I have assumed seemed the most likely issue. Scheduling.

Trump is perfectly happy making his rally wait for three hours.
She is not.
So she has been looking for a shorter time (especially since I don't think Rogan would ever do a podcast remotely).

 

[Valcazar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850943863525163235

NEW: Ballot box lit on fire in Vancouver, Washington with hundreds of ballots reportedly inside. The incident happened shortly after 4 a.m. after smoke was seen coming out of the ballot box. The last ballot pickup at the location was nearly 24 hours earlier meaning there were likely hundreds of ballots inside. Only a handful were saved according to KATU2. Voters who dropped their ballots off at the location are being told to "contact the Election Auditor's Office IMMEDIATELY for a new ballot."

I have to admit that I didn't expect the MAGA crowd to go for straight up ballot destruction as part of the plan to cast the election in doubt.
I probably should have, though.

 

[Valcazar]

It's more like the Dem crowd going for straight up ballot destruction......LMAO

In Washington?
Where they are winning and no one considers it a battleground state?

Why?

This serves the Trump campaign only.

- It causes chaos about "what the real vote count is".
- It destroys primarily democratic ballots.
- It re-enforces the whole idea that anything other than in-person voting is unreliable.
- People in the MAGA media bubble will believe "It's more like the Dem crowd going for straight up ballot destruction"

Everything about this is upside for the Trumpists.

 

[WyattEarp]

Should people have not leaked it if they were in even very preliminary talks?
Maybe not.
The question is who did that?

I hope you are not asking these questions in an accusatory tone. Perhaps if Kamala wins, they can censor Joe Rogan. (That's a joke. Everyone but Frank will likely understand that.)

I think the leak came from the camp that has the most to gain.......the Rogan camp. They could be trying to pressure her to appear and might have also used it to prompt Trump to appear.

But who says she didn't really want to do it?
They couldn't schedule it.
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Which is what I have assumed seemed the most likely issue. Scheduling.

Trump is perfectly happy making his rally wait for three hours.
She is not.
So she has been looking for a shorter time (especially since I don't think Rogan would ever do a podcast remotely).
But who says she didn't really want to do it?

We will likely never know what Rogan and Harris' team discussed and whether her schedule is really that tight. One thing we know for sure is neither of us really know.

By the way, Rogan has on rare occasions done his podcast remotely. I don't know what length of time is/was being discussed, but one might presume that his format obligates a minimum of one hour for a discussion. Rogan even says his show is not your standard Q&A.