Liberals Ban Hundreds More Types of Firearms

[GameBoy27]

Hunters are idiot cunts. If you need meat, go to the supermarket like normal people.

People who hunt and eat meats they've prepared themselves are cunts? As opposed to those who buy corporate farmed and slaughtered meat in a store? Here's a thought, Google Canada, then look at how big the country is. Then look at the proximity of "supermarkets" to all the small towns in northern Canada. Not that I expect you will, so I'll explain it to you. They're few and far between, which is why people hunt, city boy.

While you're at it, Google the definition of "condescending" then go look in the mirror.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

They're few and far between, which is why people hunt, city boy.

OK, there you have it, people. Another low-class hayseed from the sticks.

 

[GameBoy27]

OK, there you have it, people. Another low-class hayseed from the sticks.

No, I've lived in downtown Toronto all my life. But unlike you, I'm aware that not everyone in Canada can simply go to the grocery store for food. Hunting for many in Canada is a necessity to life. To call them cunts makes you sound like a morally superior narrow-minded dick.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

No, I've lived in downtown Toronto all my life. But unlike you, I'm aware that not everyone in Canada can simply go to the grocery store for food. Hunting for many in Canada is a necessity to life. To call them cunts makes you sound like a narrow-minded dick.

Then act like you're from downtown Toronto and not some ignorant hillbilly from the backwoods who's trying to Americanise this country with disgusting shit Yank culture.

 

[cunning linguist]

You might as well drive a huge pickup truck, wear a cowboy hat and blast the country music. It's all foreign shit American culture in Canada.

Here's an idea:

Don't like guns? Don't own one.

Easy!

 

[Bucktee]

Then act like you're from downtown Toronto and not some ignorant hillbilly from the backwoods who's trying to Americanise this country with disgusting shit Yank culture.

Most of Canada is not like Toronto. Get out more.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

Most of Canada is not like Toronto. Get out more.

As someone who is originally from the Prairies, I will say Canada would be a MUCH better country if everyone was more like Toronto.

 

[basketcase]

Funny how Conservation Officers are issued "assault rifles". They must be so busy "assaulting" wounded deer and coyotes.

Funny how you seem incapable of distinguishing between what the government and army are allowed vs what civilians are allowed.

Last I checked, this discussion was about what guns should be made available for civilian purposes.

 

[basketcase]

Yeah, I've previously noted that you hold Liberal governments to lower standards.
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I hold the Canadian government to a higher standard than individual Canadians. Canadian government agents who have been issued semi-auto long guns to do their specific job should be held to a higher standard which is why it makes sense that they have more options.

This goes for police who have been issued hand guns and for soldiers who have been issued tanks.

 

[basketcase]

How does this ban make Canadians safer? They're banning weapons that are possessed by legal gun owners. Legal gun owners aren't the ones committing crimes, nor are crimes committed with the guns they've banned. Criminals don't follow the rules and use smuggled handguns from the US. It's virtue signaling and a complete waste of money, nothing more.

How many 'legal gun owners' refuse to store their guns according to the law and instead think they can use their gun for self-defense (which is also against the law)?

 

[basketcase]

No, I've lived in downtown Toronto all my life. But unlike you, I'm aware that not everyone in Canada can simply go to the grocery store for food. Hunting for many in Canada is a necessity to life. To call them cunts makes you sound like a morally superior narrow-minded dick.

Not much of a necessity. Many Canadians do it as a hobby and some of those hobbyists are ecologically friendly and eat the meat. Even in the far north, it is less expensive and an an supplement to people's diet. It is also a traditional part of indigenous life but claiming it's a necessity is a stretch.

 

[cunning linguist]

I hold the Canadian government to a higher standard than individual Canadians. Canadian government agents who have been issued semi-auto long guns to do their specific job should be held to a higher standard which is why it makes sense that they have more options.

This goes for police who have been issued hand guns and for soldiers who have been issued tanks.

You have previously argued semi-autos are allegedly "less accurate" and cycling the bolt shouldn't be a problem for a competent shooter.

Are you saying law enforcement can't be bothered to aim, cycle a bolt, or make hits within 10 shots? How is that a "higher standard"?

I'm guessing this is the part where you Google "best hunting rifle" or talk to your "hunting buddies" before coming back here to be humiliated, yet again.

 

[cunning linguist]

How many 'legal gun owners' refuse to store their guns according to the law and instead think they can use their gun for self-defense (which is also against the law)?

You were saying something about "higher standards"?

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including machine guns

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including more than 120 handguns and at least five fully automatic weapons like machine guns.

www.ctvnews.ca

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[basketcase]

You were saying something about "higher standards"?

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including machine guns

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including more than 120 handguns and at least five fully automatic weapons like machine guns.

www.ctvnews.ca

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Yes. If the government who has a process to inventory guns loses that many, how many do you think "law abiding' gun owners have lost.

But sure, go ahead and move those goalposts once the game is over.

 

[GameBoy27]

How many 'legal gun owners' refuse to store their guns according to the law and instead think they can use their gun for self-defense (which is also against the law)?

I don't know, why don't you tell us, how many don't store their guns properly? Please also tell us how often legal gun owners have used their weapons in self defense in the last 10 years? I'm going to guess it's rare on both accounts. But you're welcome to prove me wrong.

But back to the original topic, how does preventing legal gun owners from owning those long guns make things safer when it's neither legal gun owners committing gun crimes, nor using those long guns in the first place?

 

[basketcase]

You have previously argued semi-autos are allegedly "less accurate" and cycling the bolt shouldn't be a problem for a competent shooter.

Are you saying law enforcement can't be bothered to aim, cycle a bolt, or make hits within 10 shots? How is that a "higher standard"?

I'm guessing this is the part where you Google "best hunting rifle" or talk to your "hunting buddies" before coming back here to be humiliated, yet again.

Do you think one gun is suited for every purpose?

Legal activities for a gun owner are target shooting, hunting, and protecting farm produce from pests. None of those require a semi-auto.
A wildlife officer in charge of eradicating a herd of feral pigs may need to get off many rounds in a short period of time but that is something they have explicitly been authorized by the government to do.
Military need to send rounds downrange at enemies and that is why they are allowed fully auto.



And again, that 5 round capacity ....

 

[basketcase]

I don't know, why don't you tell us, how many don't store their guns properly? Please also tell us how often legal gun owners have used their weapons in self defense in the last 10 years? I'm going to guess it's rare on both accounts. But you're welcome to prove me wrong.

But back to the original topic, how does preventing legal gun owners from owning those long guns make things safer when it's neither legal gun owners committing gun crimes, nor using those long guns in the first place?

If police were allowed spot-checks, maybe we'd have an exact answer but based on comments from alleged gun owners on here, many refuse to follow the law.

I have absolutely no problem with actual 'legal gun owners', hunting, or target shooting but most of the complaints about gun laws are simply NRA spillovers from people who don't understand that US and Canadian gun laws are extremely different, even down to the function guns play.

As an analogy, I am happy that sex work is legal in Canada and purchasing it is defacto legal but I fully understand why streetwalkers and sex in public aren't.

 

[cunning linguist]

Yes. If the government who has a process to inventory guns loses that many, how many do you think "law abiding' gun owners have lost.

But sure, go ahead and move those goalposts once the game is over.

Civilians undoubtedly have a better track record, that's my point. The rules don't seem to apply to the same government and its agents that are enforcing them. Where are the unsafe storage charges against the RCMP? That would certainly happen to a civilian, even one who was out of the country on vacation, while thieves used power tools and took days to steal his guns.

Go to an indoor range where the ceilings and baffles are shot up and brass is left lying around, I guarantee LE shot there.

 

[cunning linguist]

Legal activities for a gun owner are target shooting, hunting, and protecting farm produce from pests. None of those require a semi-auto.
A wildlife officer in charge of eradicating a herd of feral pigs may need to get off many rounds in a short period of time

So you think pests show up one at a time to a privately owned farm, but somehow only swarm in the presence of wildlife officers?

 

[GameBoy27]

Yes. If the government who has a process to inventory guns loses that many, how many do you think "law abiding' gun owners have lost.

But sure, go ahead and move those goalposts once the game is over.

Not sure, but the vast majority of gun used in crimes in Ontario come from the US.

Canadian police chiefs say such cases also show the limits of their government's domestically focused policies to fight gun violence, such as a freeze on handgun purchases, when it has the world's largest civilian gun market on its doorstep.

"We really think that restricting lawful handgun ownership doesn't meaningfully address the real issue, which is illegal handguns obtained from the United States," said Evan Bray, police chief in Regina, capital of Saskatchewan province.

Canada's gun homicide rate in 2020 was an eighth of the rate in the United States, where rules on buying firearms are looser, but it's higher than the rates of many other rich countries and has been rising, according to data from Statistics Canada.

Exclusive data obtained by Reuters for Ontario, Canada's most populous province, shows that when handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly - 85% of the time - found to have come from the United States.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198