Funny how you seem incapable of distinguishing between what the government and army are allowed vs what civilians are allowed.
Last I checked, this discussion was about what guns should be made available for civilian purposes.
Liberals Ban Hundreds More Types of Firearms
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Last I checked, this discussion was about what guns should be made available for civilian purposes.
I hold the Canadian government to a higher standard than individual Canadians. Canadian government agents who have been issued semi-auto long guns to do their specific job should be held to a higher standard which is why it makes sense that they have more options.
This goes for police who have been issued hand guns and for soldiers who have been issued tanks.
How many 'legal gun owners' refuse to store their guns according to the law and instead think they can use their gun for self-defense (which is also against the law)?
Not much of a necessity. Many Canadians do it as a hobby and some of those hobbyists are ecologically friendly and eat the meat. Even in the far north, it is less expensive and an an supplement to people's diet. It is also a traditional part of indigenous life but claiming it's a necessity is a stretch.
You have previously argued semi-autos are allegedly "less accurate" and cycling the bolt shouldn't be a problem for a competent shooter.
Are you saying law enforcement can't be bothered to aim, cycle a bolt, or make hits within 10 shots? How is that a "higher standard"?
I'm guessing this is the part where you Google "best hunting rifle" or talk to your "hunting buddies" before coming back here to be humiliated, yet again.
You were saying something about "higher standards"?
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including machine guns
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including more than 120 handguns and at least five fully automatic weapons like machine guns.
Yes. If the government who has a process to inventory guns loses that many, how many do you think "law abiding' gun owners have lost.You were saying something about "higher standards"?
.The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including machine guns
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has lost 205 firearms since 2020, including more than 120 handguns and at least five fully automatic weapons like machine guns.www.ctvnews.ca
But sure, go ahead and move those goalposts once the game is over.
I don't know, why don't you tell us, how many don't store their guns properly? Please also tell us how often legal gun owners have used their weapons in self defense in the last 10 years? I'm going to guess it's rare on both accounts. But you're welcome to prove me wrong.
But back to the original topic, how does preventing legal gun owners from owning those long guns make things safer when it's neither legal gun owners committing gun crimes, nor using those long guns in the first place?
Do you think one gun is suited for every purpose?
Legal activities for a gun owner are target shooting, hunting, and protecting farm produce from pests. None of those require a semi-auto.
A wildlife officer in charge of eradicating a herd of feral pigs may need to get off many rounds in a short period of time but that is something they have explicitly been authorized by the government to do.
Military need to send rounds downrange at enemies and that is why they are allowed fully auto.
And again, that 5 round capacity ....
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If police were allowed spot-checks, maybe we'd have an exact answer but based on comments from alleged gun owners on here, many refuse to follow the law.
I have absolutely no problem with actual 'legal gun owners', hunting, or target shooting but most of the complaints about gun laws are simply NRA spillovers from people who don't understand that US and Canadian gun laws are extremely different, even down to the function guns play.
As an analogy, I am happy that sex work is legal in Canada and purchasing it is defacto legal but I fully understand why streetwalkers and sex in public aren't.
Civilians undoubtedly have a better track record, that's my point. The rules don't seem to apply to the same government and its agents that are enforcing them. Where are the unsafe storage charges against the RCMP? That would certainly happen to a civilian, even one who was out of the country on vacation, while thieves used power tools and took days to steal his guns.
Go to an indoor range where the ceilings and baffles are shot up and brass is left lying around, I guarantee LE shot there.
So you think pests show up one at a time to a privately owned farm, but somehow only swarm in the presence of wildlife officers?
Not sure, but the vast majority of gun used in crimes in Ontario come from the US.
Canadian police chiefs say such cases also show the limits of their government's domestically focused policies to fight gun violence, such as a freeze on handgun purchases, when it has the world's largest civilian gun market on its doorstep.
"We really think that restricting lawful handgun ownership doesn't meaningfully address the real issue, which is illegal handguns obtained from the United States," said Evan Bray, police chief in Regina, capital of Saskatchewan province.
Canada's gun homicide rate in 2020 was an eighth of the rate in the United States, where rules on buying firearms are looser, but it's higher than the rates of many other rich countries and has been rising, according to data from Statistics Canada.
Exclusive data obtained by Reuters for Ontario, Canada's most populous province, shows that when handguns involved in crimes were traced in 2021, they were overwhelmingly - 85% of the time - found to have come from the United States.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198
Police are allowed spot checks, they're just pointless to do for no reason.
Like I've previously said, funny how people who think carding is discriminatory have no problem treating gun owners that way.
On top of the fake moose hunting story, that you aren't aware of this makes me question if you even have your PAL.
The vast majority of Canadian gun owners are very aware of the rules and regs. For the most part, they're not the ones people should be worried about.
Yet every single one who chooses to keep their gun loaded for self defense or every owner who chooses not to properly lock up their guns isn't law abiding and is increasing the chances of their gun being accidentally discharged or taken by someone who will use it for criminal purposes. There are a wide variety of estimates of the sources of guns used in crimes but some data has Canadian owned guns either being stolen or sold illegally making up from 20%-60%.
And that doesn't change the fact that under the standards of Canadian law, semi-auto rifles serve very little legitimate purpose in civilian hands.
And still the excuses because you know that there is no legitimate need for civilians in the Canadian context to own semi-auto long guns, especially with the 5 round cartridge.
Still unable to tell the difference between civilian and governmental functions?
How many semi-auto guns do you own and how many times have you needed to deal with herds of feral hogs?
I agree that magazine limitations are stupid. I'd love to get rid of those too.
Semi-auto was the compromise, "assault style" is some conspiracy theory-level disinformation being spread to sway an ignorant populace. When those are gone, the next buzz word will be "sniper rifle" to demonize bolt action rifles; there are already hunting rifles on the new prohibited lists.
An admission that you are more interested in your hobby of shooting things quickly than you are about Canadian law which is based on utility.
I don't care what you want to call guns but having to wait a second before shooting again doesn't impact civilian life.
