Tariffs on Canada delayed for 30 days. Edit: Trump folds again. 90 day pause.

[mellowjello]

Jalimon, if you follow my posts I try to post on one issue at a time and develop my opinion based on following a situation over decades. Most of these opinions pre-date Trump's rise. Many members merely react to events as if history began in 2016.

I generally don't like all these sweeping platitudes. Social media is going nuts with the self-identified "resistance" fighting every concept or word that Trump puts out there. Many can lose sight of the specifics affecting Americans. I guess another way to describe it is to say U.S. political campaigns never end now. Social media and mass media work hand in hand to make that the reality.

Anyway, Canadians have a big decision this year. After ten years of Trudeau's Administration, you have to decide if a change is necessary. Strangely, I think friction with Trump might make the Liberals a more sympathetic choice. However, I tend to think Canadian voters like Americans vote with their pocket books which might be something you find too cynical.

I was listening to Ben Mulroney last week regarding the Liberal surge in the polls, and he reminded the audience (and me) that in 1984, John Turner
held a comfortable lead going into the election as the new Liberal voice and then got trounced by none other than his father.
He wasn't bragging, just a good observation.
The parallels between Turner's and Carney's assent are eerily similar.
Both giants in finance but very weak as political personalities, and heavily weighed down by their predecessors.
Ironically, Turner took over from Pierre and it looks like Carney's taking over from Justin.

 

[jalimon]

Jalimon, if you follow my posts I try to post on one issue at a time and develop my opinion based on following a situation over decades. Most of these opinions pre-date Trump's rise. Many members merely react to events as if history began in 2016.

I generally don't like all these sweeping platitudes. Social media is going nuts with the self-identified "resistance" fighting every concept or word that Trump puts out there. Many can lose sight of the specifics affecting Americans. I guess another way to describe it is to say U.S. political campaigns never end now. Social media and mass media work hand in hand to make that the reality.

Anyway, Canadians have a big decision this year. After ten years of Trudeau's Administration, you have to decide if a change is necessary. Strangely, I think friction with Trump might make the Liberals a more sympathetic choice. However, I tend to think Canadian voters like Americans vote with their pocket books which might be something you find too cynical.

If Americans would vote with their pocket books, and if they were wise, they would vote for the democrats. The democrats have done far better since Reagan. The reason is purely social.

A good economy likes stability. You invest when you don't hear about your potus every fucking day in the news.

The truth is about half of Americans are racist, greedy pricks who do not care about anything else but destroying the libs...

 

[benstt]

In the "To big to fail" category

With Trump deliberately devaluing his leverage on NATO, I'd expect NATO to start looking for EU places to spend their defence dollars rather than Boeing, LockMart, etc.

 

[mellowjello]

With Trump deliberately devaluing his leverage on NATO, I'd expect NATO to start looking for EU places to spend their defence dollars rather than Boeing, LockMart, etc.

That's why I don't believe the U.S. is serious about any long term decoupling from NATO.
Too much at stake re: security, influence and $$$.
It makes zero sense.

 

[WyattEarp]

If this were true, we'd never have a conservative prime minister again.

Canada GDP Per Capita 1960-2025 | MacroTrends

GDP per capita is gross domestic product divided by midyear population. GDP is the sum of gross value added by all resident producers in the economy plus any product taxes and minus any subsidies not included in the value of the products. It is calculated without making deductions for...

www.macrotrends.net

Look at the explosion of GDP under Chretien, and how Harper immediately stalls, then reverses the growth.

Trudeau undid Harpers harm, got stymied by COVID, and has recovered again.

I'm sorry the numbers aren't there to support this idea. Canadian banks and think tanks have been discussing structural stagnation. Sure, you can blame Harper. I'm not sure that's a constructive approach.

PS- The articles are out there. These aren't all really partisan outlets. I think the CBC has covered it.

 

[Skoob]

Literally the conservative and fascist playbook. Read up on fascism in history and you’ll understand

Not quite and you are referencing the wrong books in this case...
You may want to refer to the Little Red Book and others such as the Communist Manifesto.

Those are much more in line with the way you have presented yourself.

 

[boobtoucher]

That's why I don't believe the U.S. is serious about any long term decoupling from NATO.
Too much at stake re: security, influence and $$$.
It makes zero sense.

Unless President Trump, decoupled from consequences by the supreme court, feels like he and his "known associate" Vlad can carve up the world between them.

He has the instincts of a child, and the US just gave this child the largest military in the world. The man puts his name on gold buildings. Don't you think he's the kind of guy who'd like to put his name on whole countries?

I mean, it's not like there's anything supporting this:

‘Trump Gaza’ AI video intended as political satire, says creator

Film-maker reacts after US president shares video on his Truth Social account last week

www.theguardian.com

 

[Skoob]

Brave Smart, Cares-about-America Trump: "Oh yeah! You were a meenie-pants to me. I'll crash my whole economy to show you!"

Payback's a bitch.

 

[Skoob]

Why is it so hard to buy booze from another province? Blame trade barriers - National | Globalnews.ca

Some experts say one sector in which Canada’s interprovincial trade barriers are most evident is the sale and purchase of alcohol across provincial lines.

globalnews.ca

If Canadians were getting as mad at the upcoming 20% increase to the carbon tax maybe our country wouldn't be in such a mess.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

DOW is down 170 points

 

[Skoob]

Dummy, the Fentanyl issue is just a way they can legally by-pass the USMCA. The same USMCA that Trump negotiated.

Like Trudeau said, we'll go to the WTO and let them decide.

It's not that I don't know, I don't care. There are many things taxed from province to province. But it's done in a diplomatic way. Not by shady, outdated negotiation tactics that skirts the lines of legality.

And just to highlight how stupid you are: You are against inter-provincial tariffs, but for US Tariffs. You are a confused duck.

Mitchy, hit me with a laugh.

The argument is over when name calling starts.
Name calling is a sign of weakness and a typical distraction used when someone can't hold up their end of the argument. It's immature and desperate, done when someone realizes they've lost the argument.

In other words, you lost this one.

Sorry.

 

[Skoob]

Exactly, conned by a conman.

Says a Trudeau supporter who has kept him in office for a decade. Lol!

 

[Jenesis]

The argument is over when name calling starts.
Name calling is a sign of weakness and a typical distraction used when someone can't hold up their end of the argument. It's immature and desperate, done when someone realizes they've lost the argument.

In other words, you lost this one.

Sorry.

So you have nothing left to debate with is what you are really saying .... Got it.

 

[WyattEarp]

CBS poll: only 38% of Americans approve of the tariffs on Canada

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897081084275556568

I don't care for tariffs on Canada because I think we have a good, integrated economic relationship.

However, I think U.S. tariffs are necessary with some chronic trade abusers.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So you have nothing left to debate with is what you are really saying .... Got it

Looks like you didnt get it

 

[WyattEarp]

If Americans would vote with their pocket books, and if they were wise, they would vote for the democrats. The democrats have done far better since Reagan. The reason is purely social.

A good economy likes stability. You invest when you don't hear about your potus every fucking day in the news.

The truth is about half of Americans are racist, greedy pricks who do not care about anything else but destroying the libs...

I wouldn't compare today's Democrats to 1980-1990 Democrats. You probably don't remember, but Bill Clinton ran and governed as a centrist. It's too simple and gets back to my recent comment about relying on sweeping platitudes.

I have a feeling that Trudeau has governed very differently than Chrétien and even his father.

 

[boobtoucher]

If Canadians were getting as mad at the upcoming 20% increase to the carbon tax maybe our country wouldn't be in such a mess.

If Canadians understood issues, maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess.

Before (Conservative Premier) Doug Ford killed it, Ontario was in a cap-and-trade system that generated revenue (about 300mill/year) for the province, from US states. Free money on the backs of competing economies. This money was re-invested into energy retrofits for public buildings. Free money on the backs of competing economies that LOWERED the cost of government.

While the cap and trade system was in place, Ontarians paid $0 in carbon tax.

(Conservative Premier) Doug Ford, knowing that the federal backstop was in place and that the federal backstop would get more expensive over time, killed this free-money agreement. Now you, the Ontario Taxpayer, feel the burden of the Carbon Tax, even though you'd need to be relatively wealthy to pay more than your rebate. This was done to make people mad at (Liberal Prime Minister) Justin Trudeau, and improve the conservative brand by comparison.

Now, the carbon tax is increasing from $80/tonne to $95/tonne. An increase of 18.75%. The middle-aged-men-who-record-videos-in-their-cars set is REALLY MAD about this. Forgetting that the only reason they are paying it is because of Doug Ford's intentional sabotage.

 

[Skoob]

So you have nothing left to debate with is what you are really saying .... Got it.

Pointless to debate with someone who can only offer name calling and insults to distract from the topic right?

I provided my arguments respectfully because I don't need to distract with name calling.

If someone can't debate the points and has to name call then that's essentially admission that they can't argue.
Which is why I won this one.

Let's all move on shall we.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I don't care for tariffs on Canada because I think we have a good, integrated economic relationship.

However, I think U.S. tariffs are necessary with some chronic trade abusers

Some tariffs are absolutely necessary. Canada has a tariff on Chinese EV's

 

[Skoob]

If Canadians understood issues, maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess.

Before (Conservative Premier) Doug Ford killed it, Ontario was in a cap-and-trade system that generated revenue (about 300mill/year) for the province, from US states. Free money on the backs of competing economies. This money was re-invested into energy retrofits for public buildings. Free money on the backs of competing economies that LOWERED the cost of government.

While the cap and trade system was in place, Ontarians paid $0 in carbon tax.

(Conservative Premier) Doug Ford, knowing that the federal backstop was in place and that the federal backstop would get more expensive over time, killed this free-money agreement. Now you, the Ontario Taxpayer, feel the burden of the Carbon Tax, even though you'd need to be relatively wealthy to pay more than your rebate. This was done to make people mad at (Liberal Prime Minister) Justin Trudeau, and improve the conservative brand by comparison.

Now, the carbon tax is increasing from $80/tonne to $95/tonne. An increase of 18.75%. The middle-aged-men-who-record-videos-in-their-cars set is REALLY MAD about this. Forgetting that the only reason they are paying it is because of Doug Ford's intentional sabotage.

You're blaming Ford for a national carbon tax ponzi scheme that has compounded the issue of affordability?

Hahha that's funny.

Meanwhile, Liberals are rejecting it after supporting the scheme for a decade.

Your rage is misplaced.