Carney kills carbon tax ...and new cabinet

[oil&gas]

Countries in the western world that includes Europe, UK, USA, Canada,
Australia and New Zealand are nominally Christian. At least until the
early 20th century majority of the population in the western world are
Christians. It used to be that calling the Western Civlization Christian
Civiliation was acceptable. With that in mind it does seem reasonable
to equate 'traditional' values of the western world with Christian values.
I don't pretend I know precisely what Christian values are other than
suggesting the conservative fraction of the population in the west are
more inclined to have stronger affinity to the Christian faith than the
now more liberal majority.

 

[lomotil]

Ironically or actually, maybe not so, Trump’s boasts boost Carney’s electoral fortunes.

 

[shack]

And YOUR link confirming the above is ?????

(something other than @Valcazar's posts in this thread)

'this thread' means 'this thread', ie: 'Carney Kills carbon tax and new Cabinet' on TERB. this thread and the other this threads in this post, are not hyperlinks, even though the text is red. Experience has taught me that that explanation was necessary.

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"This is this!".

Any burden of proof is on you as much as I.

It is illogical to claim that the powers of the office of the PM are different whether he was elected or appointed. A PM is a PM. The powers that are bestowed upon that office do not fluctuate. It is a ridiculous assertion.

 

[shack]

fortunately for us

Carney won't even come close to wining the next election

he might have a shorter stint at being a prime minister than Turner did

I believe it's possible to make bets on elections. Based on your positivity, you must have already secured your affluent retirement. Have you? And if not, why not? It's a slam dunk, right?

 

[JuanGoodman]

Any burden of proof is on you as much as I.

shouldn't it be " any burden of proof is on you as much as me" not "as much as I"

you wouldn't say "any burden of proof is on I"

would you?

 

[JuanGoodman]

I believe it's possible to make bets on elections. Based on your positivity, you must have already secured your affluent retirement. Have you? And if not, why not? It's a slam dunk, right?

you want to make a bet on Carney wining next election?

"I spend half of my money on women and booze

the other half I wasted"

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

you want to make a bet on Carney wining next election?

"I spend half of my money on women and booze

the other half I wasted"

I think it depends on when Carney calls an election.
If he calls for it now, I think he has a bigger chance of losing.
But what if he positions himself as a PM in a time of crisis and delays the elections just enough?
Will the Liberals be able to use Trump's attack on Canada as well as far right turn the US has taken, to drum up enough support and eke out a win?

 

[huntethan2023]

Liberals were careless in their vetting of someone brought to parliament. It was a mistake.
Musk did it willfully.
I am not connecting the CPC with Trump.
I am saying that in general, the right, represented in Canada primarily by the CPC and PPC, is trending in a dangerous far right direction as they are in the rest of the world.
These CPC supporters in Canada are influenced by the far right politics of the US.
So it is important to vote ideologically and do your part to not enable them.

Extreme left or right is not we want in Canada.
You agree that only Trudeau is not the problem. Surely he is not responsible to vet a nazi, or check bring isis terrorists in our country. What others are doing in his cabinet ?. It is a collective failure of liberals party, can't blame only Truduea for all the blunders. Crime rate has increased, do you think Trudeau would have proposed the catch and release or free drugs in BC and everyone followed. It is collective mismanagement.
Carney has the same cabinet. Has to be overhauled.

 

[JuanGoodman]

I think it depends on when Carney calls an election.
If he calls for it now, I think he has a bigger chance of losing.
But what if he positions himself as a PM in a time of crisis and delays the elections just enough?
Will the Liberals be able to use Trump's attack on Canada as well as far right turn the US has taken, to drum up enough support and eke out a win?

I disagree, the sooner they call an election the better chance he has

Carney has a personality of a stale doughnut

I think they will want to keep him away from the press as long as they can

didn't he already go Europe on day 3 of being the Prime Minister of Canada

 

[mandrill]

Extreme left or right is not we want in Canada.
You agree that only Trudeau is not the problem. Surely he is not responsible to vet a nazi, or check bring isis terrorists in our country. What others are doing in his cabinet ?. It is a collective failure of liberals party, can't blame only Truduea for all the blunders. Crime rate has increased, do you think Trudeau would have proposed the catch and release or free drugs in BC and everyone followed. It is collective mismanagement.
Carney has the same cabinet. Has to be overhauled.

The problem is that PeePee has shown he isn't up to the task. In the 3 or 4 years since he was made leader, Pee has come up with no policy proposals and has simply launched personal attacks and slogans.

Worse still, he sucks Trump's dick and literally ran errands for the neo Nazi convoy thugs who terrorized Ottawa.

If the Tories still had a smart guy with some integrity at the helm like Erin O' Toole, I would probably vote for them. But they ditched EOT - who was smarter and more based than JT - and elected probably the only asshole in the CPC who was an even bigger dumbass, shithead and loser than Scheer.

On a good day, Pee dreams of being worthy to wipe the shit from Carney's ass and flush it away.

 

[mandrill]

Carney has to deal with Trump's bullshit. This is the wrong time to call an election.

 

[onomatopoeia]

shack can claim victory in our diss-cussion in this thread by defining the term "The powers of the office of the Prime Minister" anyway he wants to.

I considered the privileges of being permitted to speak in the House of Commons and to vote on legislation to be among the 'powers' of a Prime Minister. Only elected members are allowed to do that. I've already mentioned that:

...(yada, yada)...

An un-elected Prime Minister, who has not won a seat in Parliament, cannot participate in votes or debates on the floor of the House of Commons.

...yada, yada...

Carney has been chosen as Prime Minister by Liberal party delegates. He does not have a mandate from Canadian eligible voters.

Having a mandate from Canadian eligible voters has everything to do with winning a Federal Election seat, and nothing to do with being appointed/ anointed as Prime Minister. As @Valcazar pointed out, voters do not chose the Prime Minister, that's done by Liberal party delegates. No Canadian Prime Minister receives that Office at the behest of eligible Canadian voters.

Eligible Canadian voters do, however, give mandates to the individual who wins the plurality of votes within a given riding. Only the individual who won the plurality of votes in the most recent Election or By-election in any given riding has a mandate from eligible Canadian votes. The Member of Parliament's rights and privileges in Parliament vest to the individual, not to the party. This is why a Member expelled from their caucus can continue to sit as an Independent, to accrue additional service time towards their pension benefits.

To date, Carney has not won a riding in a Federal Election. Therefore, my statement: "He does not have a mandate from Canadian eligible voters." is logically true.

If you are 100% certain that an appointed Prime Minister has the same privileges as an elected one, please provide a link to a reliable online source which will confirm your assumption.

I don't expect you to provide the requested link. Prove me wrong.

You'll need to define "The powers of the office of the Prime Minister" before this can go any further.

 

[bazokajoe]

Extreme left or right is not we want in Canada.
You agree that only Trudeau is not the problem. Surely he is not responsible to vet a nazi, or check bring isis terrorists in our country. What others are doing in his cabinet ?. It is a collective failure of liberals party, can't blame only Truduea for all the blunders. Crime rate has increased, do you think Trudeau would have proposed the catch and release or free drugs in BC and everyone followed. It is collective mismanagement.
Carney has the same cabinet. Has to be overhauled.

Disagree.
Trudeau is responsible for all of the Liberal policies.
He is the boss and it's on him to oversee all of his ministers.
He stood up in parliament and defended whatever cracker jack ideas his ministers came up with.

Put it to you this way. The top dog takes all the responsibility for people underneath him.
Just like the police chief takes all the shit when officers fuck up.
Have you ever seen a serious industrial accident where the company bosses don't get dragged in front of the courts?

 

[JuanGoodman]

Eligible Canadian voters do, however, give mandates to the individual who wins the plurality of votes within a given riding. Only the individual who won the plurality of votes in the most recent Election or By-election in any given riding has a mandate from eligible Canadian votes.

in other words Carney doesn't have a seat in Parliament

Trudeau took it

 

[Frankfooter]

Western civilization is based on Judeo-Christian values...End stop.

If that were true then we wouldn't have poor people or homeless.

 

[onomatopoeia]

in other words Carney doesn't have a seat in Parliament

Trudeau took it

Yeah, it was necessary for me to repeat myself, because shack's eaten since I said it the first time.

 

[JuanGoodman]

If that were true then we wouldn't have poor people or homeless.

we hardly did until liberals took over

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Extreme left or right is not we want in Canada.
You agree that only Trudeau is not the problem. Surely he is not responsible to vet a nazi, or check bring isis terrorists in our country. What others are doing in his cabinet ?. It is a collective failure of liberals party, can't blame only Truduea for all the blunders. Crime rate has increased, do you think Trudeau would have proposed the catch and release or free drugs in BC and everyone followed. It is collective mismanagement.
Carney has the same cabinet. Has to be overhauled.

I didn't blame Trudeau.
I said the Liberals should have vetted who was brought to Parliament and they did not.
As for the others, they are just instances of crime and therefore nothing much more to say about that.
There is no extreme left in Canada.
However, there is plenty of extreme right and they support the CPC. Which we need to stop.

 

[The Oracle]

we hardly did until liberals took over

https://x.com/FoodProfessor/status/1901431232992264269

 

[The Oracle]

There is no extreme left in Canada.

Astounding...LOL.