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[Fun For All]

In the “ field sobriety test of life” EM gave consent to various sex acts to (defendants) sexual partners over and over with no objections introduced thus far, at least from the stand point of “ no consent “. That she felt humiliated after the deed, and perhaps even during the consensual sex , is her problem and her demons.
That these young men who fornicated with lady would, could have or should known that she was not consenting is an impossible oxymoron.
This trial is a crass and gross waste of taste payers money and court time.

Hahaha...your "field sobriety test of life" doesn't exist, you 100% made that up.

Now read what "valid consent for sexual activity" is, that does exist and it is law

The issue of ‘valid consent’
Kate Dubinski
WARNING: This post contains graphic details.
Even if E.M. made comments to the effect of, “‘Someone come f–ck me,’” that doesn’t mean she provided “valid consent” for the specific acts that the men are charged with.
E.M. masturbating on the bed sheet doesn’t communicate consent, Cunningham says.
“Masturbating, like flirting, communicates nothing,” she says.
E.M. testified the men put a bed sheet on the floor of the hotel room and asked her to get on it and put on a masturbation show for them, which she did, as a way to give them what they wanted.
“You cannot infer that because someone is masturbating, they want to perform oral sex or they're willing to have a penis in their vagina,” Cunningham says. “You cannot treat that as a communication of consent to any other sexual act. You just can't. The law does not permit it.”

 

[lomotil]

Hahaha...your "field sobriety test of life" doesn't exist, you 100% made that up.

Now read what "valid consent for sexual activity" is, that does exist and it is law

The issue of ‘valid consent’
Kate Dubinski
WARNING: This post contains graphic details.
Even if E.M. made comments to the effect of, “‘Someone come f–ck me,’” that doesn’t mean she provided “valid consent” for the specific acts that the men are charged with.
E.M. masturbating on the bed sheet doesn’t communicate consent, Cunningham says.
“Masturbating, like flirting, communicates nothing,” she says.
E.M. testified the men put a bed sheet on the floor of the hotel room and asked her to get on it and put on a masturbation show for them, which she did, as a way to give them what they wanted.
“You cannot infer that because someone is masturbating, they want to perform oral sex or they're willing to have a penis in their vagina,” Cunningham says. “You cannot treat that as a communication of consent to any other sexual act. You just can't. The law does not permit it.”

Did EM obtain “valid consent “ from these guys .before these sex acts ? Were these guys victims of sexual assault by this argument .

 

[K Douglas]

This was interesting, didn't hear it before...

Crown contends ‘something bad’ happened to E.M.
Kate Dubinski
At the end of the night, after leaving Delta hotel Room 209, E.M. is seen on the hotel surveillance video wiping away tears as she waits for her Uber to arrive.
It’s not contested that she was upset and crying when leaving the hotel, and she became upset several times inside the room. The defence theory is she was crying inside the room because the men wouldn’t take her up on her offer of sex and she was crying afterwards because they wanted her to leave to go to sleep.
“These are well-worn tropes — that women are such emotional and fickle creatures that their emotional upset can be attributed to having agreed to something and then almost immediately regretting it… That the source of a woman’s upset is that men who are virtual strangers to her don’t find her hot enough,” Cunningham says.
E.M. had “something bad” happen to her in that room, and that’s why she is crying, Cunningham says.

Quite often when people sober up and realize and regret what they have done, they are upset. That would explain the tears.
From the evidence I see the Crown has not even come close to proving their case that E.M. was an unwilling participant. They pursued this case even without E.M.'s endorsement. She got her $3 million and just wanted to move on with her life. This was a colossal waste of taxpayers money, all to make a statement. To paint a picture that hockey culture is toxic and misogynistic.

 

[Fun For All]

Quite often when people sober up and realize and regret what they have done, they are upset. That would explain the tears.
From the evidence I see the Crown has not even come close to proving their case that E.M. was an unwilling participant. They pursued this case even without E.M.'s endorsement. She got her $3 million and just wanted to move on with her life. This was a colossal waste of taxpayers money, all to make a statement. To paint a picture that hockey culture is toxic and misogynistic.

In this case, when the Police and Hockey Canada Investigators came calling the players realized what they have done and starting covering up, often with lies.

The players say she wasn't drunk so what was she sobering up from? You don't sober up from being sober...she was sobbing/crying in the room and the players have lied to the Police and through testimony many times...I believe her more than I believe them.

The Crown has proven that she wasn't the one who wanted the other guys and there is no evidence she gave "valid consent".

 

[Fun For All]

Did EM obtain “valid consent “ from these guys .before these sex acts ? Were these guys victims of sexual assault by this argument .

Way to turn it around...I think the players were ok with it.

 

[K Douglas]

Slow down...Formenton went to Switzerland because of the political pressure being applied to him in Ottawa...Eugene Melnyk's daughters owned the club at the time.

He left Ottawa after the 2021-2022 season. Was their pressure on these players going back to the spring/summer of 2022? Charges didn't come down until January 2024.

 

[K Douglas]

In this case, when the Police and Hockey Canada Investigators came calling the players realized what they have done and starting covering up often with lies.

The players say she wasn't drunk so what was she sobering up from? You don't sober up from being sober...she was sobbing/crying in the room and the players have lied to the Police and through testimony many times...I believe her more than I believe them.

The Crown has proven that she wasn't the one who wanted the other guys and there is no evidence she gave "valid consent".

I don't think any of the players were saying she was sober. It was actually her words that said she was sober. The players contend that she wasn't drunk enough to the point of not being able to consent. And video of her before and after the incident corroborated that.

 

[Fun For All]

I don't think any of the players were saying she was sober. It was actually her words that said she was sober. The players contend that she wasn't drunk enough to the point of not being able to consent. And video of her before and after the incident corroborated that.

WRONG-McLeod said in his Police interview in 2018 she was sober...the video after was 3 hours after she stopped drinking, the video arriving at the hotel was 4-seconds of her walking thru the lobby that the London cop used to determine her intoxication...the players say their "memory loss" was because they were really drunk, wouldn't it make sense she was "really drunk" also...

McLeod knows how drunk she was but the court threw that out...

Here are three things the Crown is not allowed to reference and the judge isn’t allowed to consider:

• In 2022, Forementon told investigators he remembers Foote not having his pants on during the splits. His lawyers have argued he had his pants on. E.M. has said he was naked from the waist down.
• In 2022, McLeod told investigators E.M. fell outside the bathroom at Jack’s bar. E.M. also testified to this. However, he did not say that to the police and it is not allowed to be considered as evidence of her intoxication.
• On June 26, 2018, Brett Howden texted Taylor Raddysh, telling him “Dude, I’m so happy I left when all that sh–t went down…When I was leaving, Duber [Dillon Dubé] was smacking this girl’s ass so hard. It looked like it hurt so bad.” That text exchange was not allowed by Justice Maria Carrocia because she ruled it was hearsay. Lawyers at this trial have argued the buttocks slapping that night was “playful” and akin to “foreplay.”

 

[Fun For All]

He left Ottawa after the 2021-2022 season. Was their pressure on these players going back to the spring/summer of 2022? Charges didn't come down until January 2024.

Hockey Canada did have an investigation going in 2022...if you were following this you would have known that.

Some have raised the thought that Formenton only received a qualifying offer and nothing better because of the investigation.

 

[The Oracle]

Formenton was a RFA and was given a qualifying offer from the Senators but didn't sign it so he bolted for Switzerland.

Senators, Alex Formenton fail to agree to contract before RFA deadline

The Ottawa Senators and restricted free agent Alex Formenton have failed to reach an agreement on a contract, Sportsnet can confirm, making the left winger's NHL future uncertain.

www.sportsnet.ca

Love Dorion's B.S. answer at the end...Because of the Hockey Canada investigation Ottawa wasn't going to sign to him to a long term contract and they couldn't trade him for the same reason.

His on ice play was stellar that year and was being looked at as a long time contributor to the team. Anybody who says different wasn't following the team.

 

[Fun For All]

Senators, Alex Formenton fail to agree to contract before RFA deadline

The Ottawa Senators and restricted free agent Alex Formenton have failed to reach an agreement on a contract, Sportsnet can confirm, making the left winger's NHL future uncertain.

www.sportsnet.ca

Love Dorion's B.S. answer at the end...Because of the Hockey Canada investigation Ottawa wasn't going to sign to him to a long term contract and they couldn't trade him for the same reason.

His on ice play was stellar that year and was being looked at as a long time contributor to the team. Anybody who says different wasn't following the team.

He scored 18 goals, was -13 and averaged 15 minutes of ice time a game…that’s not stellar that’s average

 

[The Oracle]

He scored 18 goals, was -13 and averaged 15 minutes of ice time a game…that’s not stellar that’s average

He's 21 that year with 30 total NHL games under his belt. The team finishes at 33-42-7

He's on the the third and fourth lines. Also killing penalties.

I watched every game...D.J. Smith raved about him and so did his teammates. He had a bright future.

 

[Fun For All]

He's 21 that year with 30 total NHL games under his belt. The team finishes at 33-42-7

He's on the the third and fourth lines. Also killing penalties.

I watched every game...D.J. Smith raved about him and so did his teammates. He had a bright future.

Bright future? I am not talking about the future…when he left, in disgrace, he was another average young player trying to make his mark, every team has them.

You being an “ardent” supporter who watches every game doesn’t mean fuck all…the country is full of fans who wear one of their teams sweatshirts/sweaters/jackets/hats everywhere they go and watch every game.

 

[JimmyG]

Did EM obtain “valid consent “ from these guys .before these sex acts ? Were these guys victims of sexual assault by this argument .

You're forgetting , these guys went to the room looking for sex, they were invited by their teammate Mikey
Michael McLeod sent a group text ' who wants a 3 way quick ? '
' who wants a gummer ? '
E.M went to the room for consensual sex only with McLeod
It basically comes down to who do you believe more, McLeod or E.M ? Was the group sex really her idea or his ?
If it was her idea why didn't he say that in his first police interview, why did he lie about sending out the text ?
The other guys could be innocent but because they trusted their teammate , find themselves in this situation

 

[JimmyG]

I missed this part of the trial earlier, but it could be a key part of the prosecution's case. The testimony of the first two guys in the room, Raddysh and Katchouk, and how they saw EM acting.


The first two men in the room after McLeod were Raddysh and Katchouk, and they testified about E.M.’s demeanour while they were in the room for a short time.

The two men were there between 2:30 a.m. and 2:35 a.m. on June 19, 2018. They both testified E.M. was in the bed while they were there, and Cunningham says that is what she believes happened.

Cunningham brings up Raddysh’s testimony, including that E.M. remained under the bed covers the whole time.

Katchouk said E.M. had the covers pulled all the way up and Raddysh said the covers went all the way up to her neck area.

The two men said they didn’t interact with E.M. at all, and except for her asking Katchouk for a bite of pizza, they didn’t talk, Cunningham reminds the court.

E.M. didn’t offer or ask for any sexual contact from Raddysh or Katchouk, Cunningham says.

During the time Katchouk was in the room, McLeod asked her if he wanted a “gummer,” Cunningham reminds the judge. E.M. “doesn’t say anything,” Cunningham says.

“These are not the actions of someone who is eager to engage in sexual activity with Mr. McLeod’s teammates,” Cunningham says.

If she had wanted them to be there for sexual activity, the Crown adds, wouldn’t she have said something to them or shown some interest?

If the group sex was her idea , why didn't she act on it with the first two guys ? Why wasn't she asking for it ?

 

[ez$$$]

You're forgetting , these guys went to the room looking for sex, they were invited by their teammate Mikey
Michael McLeod sent a group text ' who wants a 3 way quick ? '
' who wants a gummer ? '
E.M went to the room for consensual sex only with McLeod
It basically comes down to who do you believe more, McLeod or E.M ? Was the group sex really her idea or his ?
If it was her idea why didn't he say that in his first police interview, why did he lie about sending out the text ?
The other guys could be innocent but because they trusted their teammate , find themselves in this situation

I think the Crown has made some pretty decent points against McLeod in their closing and he is most likely of the group to be convicted.

Based on everything I have read about this case, it does not seem that the Crown has overcome the proof beyond a reasonable doubt burden, but if anyone is getting convicted, it is McLeod.

 

[ez$$$]

Can McLeod be guilty of his second charge of a party to an offense if none are convicted of an actual assault?

Can he be guilty of planning an offense if no one is convicted of an offense?

My thinking is at least someone (probably McLeod) would have to be guilty of assault in order for the second charge of party to an offense to stick.

 

[onomatopoeia]

...It basically comes down to who do you believe more, McLeod or E.M ? ...

You don't seem to understand how the Criminal Justice system works.

1) Is there evidence that E.M. consented? Yes, it's in a phone video.

2) Is there evidence that E.M. was not in a state of mind that she could offer consent? No.

3) Was E.M sexually assaulted? Possibly.

4) Is there evidence beyond reasonable doubt that E.M. was sexually assaulted? No.

A random group of property taxpayers who were unsuccessful at avoiding jury duty might possibly render one or more guilty verdicts based on beliefs, emotions, speculation and assumptions. A Judge won't make those mistakes.

 

[ez$$$]

A random group of property taxpayers who were unsuccessful at avoiding jury duty might possibly render one or more guilty verdicts based on beliefs, emotions, speculation and assumptions. A Judge won't make those mistakes.

Agree.

Formenton's lawyers got both juries dismissed as I am sure they would prefer a judge alone trial versus jury verdict.

 

[mellowjello]

This case in the States is so similar it's like a template for this case with the Junior hockey players.
Luckily there was video evidence to corroborate their stories.
Wait until you hear her reason for falsely accusing these guys.

Of course, if FFA had heard the accusations, the young men would have been guilty, because they're self-entitled,
spoiled rich kids and he knows how these things happen.....all before any evidence.