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Think tank believes Canada’s deficit to top $92 billion this fiscal year

Butler1000

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You didn't even answer the question. :ROFLMAO:
I did.

"It's not about what we have now, but what we have in the end".

As in, there are no deals, so this hasn't ended.

Cripes, USMCA comes up next year as well. So I think things get drawn out.

How about this. What deal would you accept? You are crying about what we don't have. So feel free, with actual details, about what deals you think we should make.

Time to put up......or......
 

DesRicardo

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I did.

"It's not about what we have now, but what we have in the end".

As in, there are no deals, so this hasn't ended.

Cripes, USMCA comes up next year as well. So I think things get drawn out.

How about this. What deal would you accept? You are crying about what we don't have. So feel free, with actual details, about what deals you think we should make.

Time to put up......or......
Dollar for Dollar Tariffs should not have been removed. We are giving up too much just to have conversations.

I keep saying, let Doug Ford lead the negotiations. The Carney bootlicking isn't doing anything but getting us backed down slowly.

Time will tell, but I'm glad the media is starting to wake up and question what is going on.
 

Butler1000

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Dollar for Dollar Tariffs should not have been removed. We are giving up too much just to have conversations.

I keep saying, let Doug Ford lead the negotiations. The Carney bootlicking isn't doing anything but getting us backed down slowly.

Time will tell, but I'm glad the media is starting to wake up and question what is going on.
I think the grassroots boycott is having a greater effect. As well I am of the opinion that hurting the lowest income Canadians by artificial price raises is not a good idea. That's why I wasn't too worried over reciprocal tariffs and instead called for surcharges on Electricity. I wish he would use those now to rattle them.

And remember it was Ford who backtracked on those. Although I believe it was a Carney's request.

Our problem is Trump is an untrustworthy negotiator. No matter what he will move the goalposts. But even he can't wait forever. It's why I think time is on our side. And we should use it as well.
 

DesRicardo

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I think the grassroots boycott is having a greater effect. As well I am of the opinion that hurting the lowest income Canadians by artificial price raises is not a good idea. That's why I wasn't too worried over reciprocal tariffs and instead called for surcharges on Electricity. I wish he would use those now to rattle them.

And remember it was Ford who backtracked on those. Although I believe it was a Carney's request.

Our problem is Trump is an untrustworthy negotiator. No matter what he will move the goalposts. But even he can't wait forever. It's why I think time is on our side. And we should use it as well.
And that is why you are an ideologue. Everything is based around your ideology, not about what's actually happening.
 

the general

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I can't take criticisms of delusion seriously from MAGA.
Maybe if you look at the numbers and your statement, you can do some self-reflection. Might do you some good. I think you would arrive at the same conclusion. You're delusional.
 

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Facts are important! Harper DID NOT hand Justin a balanced budget and yet Harper did not have a pandemic to deal with. Please don't waste my time with nonsense. https://globalnews.ca/news/2202138/...traight-deficits-like-the-ndp-liberals-claim/

Reading is your friend and I'm here to help you https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-roll-back-harper-initiatives-1.3504107

What is truly disgusting is that Harper was given a surplus and blew it up, and here we are...


The reality is that Harper inherited a $13-billion surplus from the Liberals and that the governments of Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin reported budget surpluses in three-quarters of their combined 13 years in power.


Again, please inform yourself before you spout off nonsense.
Let's be honest the Martin Chretien version of the Liberals were a completely different party than what we got under Justin Trudeau. The reason the CPC went into deficit was obviously the financial crisis and worldwide recession of 2009. Find me a government that didn't run large deficits at that time. We weathered that storm far better than most industrialized nations. The deficit hit a peak of $55B in 2009-10 than shrunk each year of the Harper majority gov't until reaching surplus of $1.4B in 2014-2015 and $1.6B in 2015-2016 when the Conservatives left office. Then the deficits started to balloon under Trudeau/Morneau mismanagement $17.8B in 2016-2017, $19B in 2017-2018, $14B in 2018-2019 and $39.4B in 2019-2020.
 
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squeezer

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Let's be honest the Martin Chretien version of the Liberals were a completely different party than what we got under Justin Trudeau. The reason the CPC went into deficit was obviously the financial crisis and worldwide recession of 2009. Find me a government that didn't run large deficits at that time. We weathered that storm far better than most industrialized nations. The deficit hit a peak of $55B in 2009-10 than shrunk each year of the Harper majority gov't until reaching surplus of $1.4B in 2014-2015 and $1.6B in 2015-2016 when the Conservatives left office. Then the deficits started to balloon under Trudeau/Morneau mismanagement $17.8B in 2016-2017, $19B in 2017-2018, $14B in 2018-2019 and $39.4B in 2019-2020.
Find me a government that didn't run a deficit coming out of the pandemic . The point is Harper DID NOT hand Justin a balanced sheet.
 

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Maybe if you look at the numbers and your statement, you can do some self-reflection. Might do you some good. I think you would arrive at the same conclusion. You're delusional.
You must be getting your numbers from Fraser.
 

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Let's be honest the Martin Chretien version of the Liberals were a completely different party than what we got under Justin Trudeau. The reason the CPC went into deficit was obviously the financial crisis and worldwide recession of 2009. Find me a government that didn't run large deficits at that time. We weathered that storm far better than most industrialized nations. The deficit hit a peak of $55B in 2009-10 than shrunk each year of the Harper majority gov't until reaching surplus of $1.4B in 2014-2015 and $1.6B in 2015-2016 when the Conservatives left office. Then the deficits started to balloon under Trudeau/Morneau mismanagement $17.8B in 2016-2017, $19B in 2017-2018, $14B in 2018-2019 and $39.4B in 2019-2020.
And today's cons in Canada are closer to MAGA than the traditional conservative party here.
PeePee racked up the biggest expenses in office, there is zero chance that he will do any different that DoFo and give us a massive deficit.
 
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Butler1000

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And that is why you are an ideologue. Everything is based around your ideology, not about what's actually happening.
What ideology? That's just a cop out. A simplistic dismissal. Everything I said has merit. You just don't want to acknowledge it because it breaks your argument down.

Trump is Trump and sanity, normal trade discussion, and common purpose are not what his is about. At this point it's a kleptocrasy and we would be better off just paying him a bribe. He isn't going to make sense, nor hold to his word. So there is no playbook. There is no right answer to get him to the table at the moment.

What is needed is internal pressure from donors. And that will come with time.
 
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the general

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Find me a government that didn't run a deficit coming out of the pandemic . The point is Harper DID NOT hand Justin a balanced sheet.
Yes he did. In the final full Harper year (2014/15) the budgetary position was a $1.9 billion surplus. Go look up the numbers, I actually posted them for you. Stop lying.
 

the general

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Let's be honest the Martin Chretien version of the Liberals were a completely different party than what we got under Justin Trudeau. The reason the CPC went into deficit was obviously the financial crisis and worldwide recession of 2009. Find me a government that didn't run large deficits at that time. We weathered that storm far better than most industrialized nations. The deficit hit a peak of $55B in 2009-10 than shrunk each year of the Harper majority gov't until reaching surplus of $1.4B in 2014-2015 and $1.6B in 2015-2016 when the Conservatives left office. Then the deficits started to balloon under Trudeau/Morneau mismanagement $17.8B in 2016-2017, $19B in 2017-2018, $14B in 2018-2019 and $39.4B in 2019-2020.
Not sure why squeezer refutes facts that Harper left with a surplus budget, only for it to be massacred by Trudeau.
 

the general

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You must be getting your numbers from Fraser.
Actually come from the official debt outstanding for each of their periods. Facts are facts. Time for you to give up on this one, another clear loser for you. You must never get tired of exhibiting your total lack of knowledge, even when the facts are easy to check.
 

DesRicardo

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What ideology? That's just a cop out. A simplistic dismissal. Everything I said has merit. You just don't want to acknowledge it because it breaks your argument down.

Trump is Trump and sanity, normal trade discussion, and common purpose are not what his is about. At this point it's a kleptocrasy and we would be better off just paying him a bribe. He isn't going to make sense, nor hold to his word. So there is no playbook. There is no right answer to get him to the table at the moment.

What is needed is internal pressure from donors. And that will come with time.
It's not a cop out. You're not weighing the threat and the realistic impact this will be on Canada.

It's all starting to close in and then maybe it will make sense to you. At some point you have to deal with reality. The ideologies won't cut it.
 

squeezer

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Yes he did. In the final full Harper year (2014/15) the budgetary position was a $1.9 billion surplus. Go look up the numbers, I actually posted them for you. Stop lying.
Reading is your friend...


Harper became Prime Minister in the fall of 2006, and in FY 2006-2007, the Harper government posted a fiscal surplus of $13.9 billion. In FY 2007-2008 the surplus was $9.6 billion (0.6% GDP).


What was the deficit under Harper?


During the period that included the 2008 financial crisis and the Great Recession affecting global economies, Harper's government reported five straight budgetary deficits—$55.6 billion in FY 2009-2010 (-3.6% GDP), $33.4 billion in FY 2010-2011, $18.4 billion in FY 2012-2013, and $5.2 billion in FY 2013-2014 then came his nonsensical spin trying to fool the voters.
 

Butler1000

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It's not a cop out. You're not weighing the threat and the realistic impact this will be on Canada.

It's all starting to close in and then maybe it will make sense to you. At some point you have to deal with reality. The ideologies won't cut it.
I am. What you are wrongfully assuming is can any Prime Minister stop it through direct policy action? And so we are truly away from fact and into speculation. I don't think so. I think the ball is pretty much in Trump's court and it's his whim that will end it.

Seriously I would be saying the same if PP had won and done the same. There is no solution here. No magic move to make it all better. We are literally having to wait while Trump vs International Corp America figure it out. More Tariffs by us? Same as none.

Because Trump doesn't give a shit about anyone else but Trump.
 
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A lot of those years were around the great recession, but the fact of the matter is that the last year there was a surplus posted. And even those bad years pale when compared to Justin's numbers, even outside of the pandemic years.
Read whatever you want in the numbers. Stats were always vulnerable to be cherry-picked.
 
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