Flooding in Texas - 24 dead 20 children still missing from girl camp

[WyattEarp]

Is this too factual for you:
The National Weather Service’s San Angelo office, which is responsible for some of the areas hit hardest by Friday’s flooding, was missing a senior hydrologist, staff forecaster and meteorologist in charge, according to Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, the union that represents Weather Service workers.

The Weather Service’s nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate.

I worked as a journalist for over 40 years at major NYC and international newspapers, at small dailies in very rural communities, at well known magazines, at book publishers, and even at television networks as a writer. I know shoddy journalism when I read it. Get your eyes checked.

I kind of think you're bullshitting a bit. First, you didn't cite any sources. Second, you didn't tell us at all what would have been handled differently. There were cellphone warnings throughout the night of flash flooding potential.

Don't let your emotions get carried away. I assure you there will be thorough investigations.

There does seem to be some complaints locally that the NWS warnings were not stringent enough. Anyone familiar with Central Texas weather in the summer knows vicious storms can turn up quickly with combination of intense heat and humidity. (Now that might not be reported fairly in some of your sources.)

Again, you are sleeping in a campground next to the river and you ignore flash flood warnings. Huh?

 

[The Oracle]

Is this too factual for you:
The National Weather Service’s San Angelo office, which is responsible for some of the areas hit hardest by Friday’s flooding, was missing a senior hydrologist, staff forecaster and meteorologist in charge, according to Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, the union that represents Weather Service workers.

The Weather Service’s nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate.

I worked as a journalist for over 40 years at major NYC and international newspapers, at small dailies in very rural communities, at well known magazines, at book publishers, and even at television networks as a writer. I know shoddy journalism when I read it. Get your eyes checked.

NWS union says Texas flood staffing was ‘adequate' despite vacancies

Tom Fahy, the legislative director of the National Weather Service Employees Organization, discusses the staffing at NWS offices in Texas and how cuts have made it challenging to staff other offices in the country.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Maybe you should listen to this from Tom Fahy then...

 

[The Oracle]

I kind of think you're bullshitting a bit. First, you didn't cite any sources. Second, you didn't tell us at all what would have been handled differently. There were cellphone warnings throughout the night of flash flooding potential.

Don't let your emotions get carried away. I assure you there will be thorough investigations.

There does seem to be some complaints locally that the NWS warnings were not stringent enough. Anyone familiar with Central Texas weather in the summer knows vicious storms can turn up quickly with combination of intense heat and humidity. (Now that might not be reported fairly in some of your sources.)

Again, you are sleeping in a campground next to the river and you ignore flash flood warnings. Huh?

NWS union says Texas flood staffing was ‘adequate' despite vacancies

Tom Fahy, the legislative director of the National Weather Service Employees Organization, discusses the staffing at NWS offices in Texas and how cuts have made it challenging to staff other offices in the country.

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[WyattEarp]

NWS union says Texas flood staffing was ‘adequate' despite vacancies

Tom Fahy, the legislative director of the National Weather Service Employees Organization, discusses the staffing at NWS offices in Texas and how cuts have made it challenging to staff other offices in the country.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I've heard that they had more NWS staff working than normal in Texas. Was it because of the pending storms? Don't know. It's too early to judge.

At this point, I see a lot of bullshit being slung around media.

 

[WyattEarp]

NWS union says Texas flood staffing was ‘adequate' despite vacancies

Tom Fahy, the legislative director of the National Weather Service Employees Organization, discusses the staffing at NWS offices in Texas and how cuts have made it challenging to staff other offices in the country.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I don't know Oracle. This might not be "factual" enough for mburner.

 

[nottyboi]

trump hates scientists, they keep saying climate change is real, vaccines work and other really awkward things that he just knows are wrong.

Trump Has Cut Science Funding to Its Lowest Level in Decades

The lag in funding extends far beyond D.E.I. initiatives, affecting almost every area of science: chemistry, computing, engineering, materials and more.

www.nytimes.com

Meanwhile the Chinese and Russians are POURING money into sciences.

 

[mburner]

I kind of think you're bullshitting a bit. First, you didn't cite any sources. Second, you didn't tell us at all what would have been handled differently. There were cellphone warnings throughout the night of flash flooding potential.

Don't let your emotions get carried away. I assure you there will be thorough investigations.

There does seem to be some complaints locally that the NWS warnings were not stringent enough. Anyone familiar with Central Texas weather in the summer knows vicious storms can turn up quickly with combination of intense heat and humidity. (Now that might not be reported fairly in some of your sources.)

Again, you are sleeping in a campground next to the river and you ignore flash flood warnings. Huh?

Those were two paragraphs from NY Times story I posted and you dismissed.

 

[WyattEarp]

Those were two paragraphs from NY Times story I posted and you dismissed.

Are you still trying to defend this NYT story?

The Oracle posted a video where the NWS Union head said the vacancies didn't impact the NWS' response. I'm not sure what more needs to be said.

Do you still not understand the problem with the article? Even Insid moved on to Trump's golf outing.

 

[jalimon]

WTF is wrong with you people? What makes anyone feel compelled to do a reflexive TDS dance on these dead children and adults?

Briefly, you should know better to trust a New York Times article in the early stages of the tragedy. Never an outlet to miss an opportunity for an inciting headline, they have essentially said they will be biased against Trump. If you actually read the article, the NYT author finally says the County had no aerial warning system in place.

We're being told that cellphone flash flood warnings as advised by the MWS were being sent during the night. Yeah, you know what those are. I get weather warnings in my region on my cellphone. So blame the camp counselors and camp management for not reacting. (You're sleeping next to a large river and you ignore flash flood warnings on your phone?)

The County does not have an aerial warning system in place. Odd, every place I have lived has had one. Of course, I have never lived in a rural area.

Give it a rest. Give it time. Maybe something will blow back on to the National Weather Service. Maybe not.

PS- Reread the NYT article. This is shoddy journalism fueled by innuendo and speculation. It speculates that if Weather Service vacancies had been filled that many of these people would have been saved. The author doesn't actually doesn't tell you what the Weather Service would have done differently.

Maga's where blaming Newsom, DEI, and all lesbians on the planet who were, according to them, responsible for California's wildfires...

Read a bit more, you will see that a flood on the same river killed 10 teenagers from a camp in 1987... In 2016, there were serious warnings to put in place an alert system.

Scientists have been saying for 40 years that the climate is changing. Events like this one will happen more and more frequently. If it had been acted upon in 2016, we would not have seen such a disaster today. But scientists are being fired all over the US because they have a different message that maga's dont like.

Trump administration dismisses nearly 400 scientists working on congressionally mandated national climate report

The National Climate Assessment, a major publication produced every four years that summarizes the impacts of climate change in the U.S., is scheduled for publication in 2027.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/17/climate/noaa-layoffs-ocean-monitoring

Trump administration may fire more than 1,000 EPA scientists and scrap research office, Democrats say

The potential layoffs listed in documents reviewed by Democrats are part of the White House'’s broader push to shrink the federal government

www.theguardian.com

How Trump’s assault on science is blinding America to climate change

Through budget cuts and layoffs, the administration has begun to cripple the government's ability to research global warming.

www.eenews.net

Turmoil at US science academy as Trump cuts force layoffs

Efforts by leaders of the US national academies to adjust to the new political reality have spurred member concerns about capitulation and censorship.

www.nature.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/climate/epa-letter-administrative-leave.html

p.s. on an unrelated note, I want to point out that I could not believe a Christian camp for teens would only accept white. In 2025??? Really?

 

[WyattEarp]

Maga's where blaming Newsom, DEI, and all lesbians on the planet who were, according to them, responsible for California's wildfires...

Read a bit more, you will see that a flood on the same river killed 10 teenagers from a camp in 1987... In 2016, there were serious warnings to put in place an alert system.

Scientists have been saying for 40 years that the climate is changing. Events like this one will happen more and more frequently. If it had been acted upon in 2016, we would not have seen such a disaster today. But scientists are being fired all over the US because they have a different message that maga's dont like.

Trump administration dismisses nearly 400 scientists working on congressionally mandated national climate report

The National Climate Assessment, a major publication produced every four years that summarizes the impacts of climate change in the U.S., is scheduled for publication in 2027.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/17/climate/noaa-layoffs-ocean-monitoring

Trump administration may fire more than 1,000 EPA scientists and scrap research office, Democrats say

The potential layoffs listed in documents reviewed by Democrats are part of the White House'’s broader push to shrink the federal government

www.theguardian.com

How Trump’s assault on science is blinding America to climate change

Through budget cuts and layoffs, the administration has begun to cripple the government's ability to research global warming.

www.eenews.net

Turmoil at US science academy as Trump cuts force layoffs

Efforts by leaders of the US national academies to adjust to the new political reality have spurred member concerns about capitulation and censorship.

www.nature.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/climate/epa-letter-administrative-leave.html

Jalimon, this literally throwing a whole lot of spaghetti at the wall and doesn't have anything to do with events on the ground this past holiday.
Can't you just admit this tragedy probably doesn't have anything to do with the Federal government's response?

FWIW, FEMA is engaged.

 

[The Oracle]

I don't know Oracle. This might not be "factual" enough for mburner.

But he's a journalist?

 

[jalimon]

Jalimon, this literally throwing a whole lot of spaghetti at the wall and doesn't have anything to do with events on the ground this past holiday.
Can't you just admit this tragedy probably doesn't have anything to do with the Federal government's response?

FWIW, FEMA is engaged.

All governments' responses will eventually have consequences.

There are fires on the West Coast, and it's not because they don't rake the forest floor. Even if the orange bouffon tells you so.

The climate is changing and we need to acknowledge it, study it, and provide solutions to limit its impact. Or we can pray and hug our kids like idiot Ted Cruz.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

WTF is wrong with you people? What makes anyone feel compelled to do a reflexive TDS dance on these dead children and adults?

I don't know.
Didn't you guys do the "Incompetent DEI lesbian firefighters caused the forest fires" dance when LA was on fire?
That is less true than what is alleged in the article considering this administration is the true "DEI" administration.
Just look what diaper Don is up to as this tragedy is unfolding:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1942192715246035202

 

[WyattEarp]

All governments' responses will eventually have consequences.

There are fires on the West Coast, and it's not because they don't rake the forest floor. Even if the orange bouffon tells you so.

The climate is changing and we need to acknowledge it, study it, and provide solutions to limit its impact. Or we can pray and hug our kids like idiot Ted Cruz.

We're talking about the response to flash flood warnings in Texas. Incidentally, they are a historic issue. News media is noting the area is called Flash Flood Alley.

If you want to start a climate change thread, round-up Frank, a few others and have a go.

 

[WyattEarp]

I don't know.
Didn't you guys do the "Incompetent DEI lesbian firefighters caused the forest fires" dance when LA was on fire?
That is less true than what is alleged in the article considering this administration is the true "DEI" administration.
Just look what diaper Don is up to as this tragedy is unfolding:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1942192715246035202

Please don't try to tag me with an inane post. I don't remember ever discussing the sexual orientation of firefighters.

That doesn't mean I believe L.A. was prepared for the fires. As I said then as I say now, watch what local officials enact in the way of disaster prevention to know what should have been done prior to these disasters. It might take some time, but that will be your answer. California seems to be discussing changes, but dragging their feet.

 

[jalimon]

We're talking about the response to flash flood warnings in Texas. Incidentally, they are a historic issue. News media is noting the area is called Flash Flood Alley.

If you want to start a climate change thread, round-up Frank, a few others and have a go.

Mister I started the thread. I can talk the shit I want.

You pointed out that there was historic issue but the governing officials have not done shit in years and years.

Worst as they cut anything related to science and climate change.

The state would not have to build tombstones for 30 little white girls if they had acted like they should of.

 

[Frankfooter]

Please don't try to tag me with an inane post. I don't remember ever discussing the sexual orientation of firefighters.

That doesn't mean I believe L.A. was prepared for the fires. As I said then as I say now, watch what local officials enact in the way of disaster prevention to know what should have been done prior to these disasters. It might take some time, but that will be your answer. California seems to be discussing changes, but dragging their feet.

There is no preparation possible for once in thousand year events.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1942041774375178407

 

[The Oracle]

 

[squeezer]

We're talking about the response to flash flood warnings in Texas. Incidentally, they are a historic issue. News media is noting the area is called Flash Flood Alley.

If you want to start a climate change thread, round-up Frank, a few others and have a go.

When was the last time you saw 30-foot walls of water tearing through that region, Wyatt? You and your MAGA crew can stick your heads in the sand or up Trump's nasty diapered ass all you want, but this is climate change, plain and simple.


The Guadalupe River surged from 3 feet to 30 feet in a matter of hours, devastating summer camps and low-lying communities. That’s not just a flash flood, that’s a climate-fueled disaster.


The overwhelming rainfall is yet another consequence of rising global temperatures, driving more frequent, violent, and unpredictable extremes. But sure, let’s pretend it’s just "weather," yes of course, because climate change is a left-wing conspiracy theory created to bleed taxpayers? LMAO

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/08/us/texas-flood-factors

The Guadalupe River, which runs along several summer camps, rose from about 3 feet to 30 feet on Friday.

The overwhelming rainfall is another example of rising global temperatures pushing weather toward extremes, events that are becoming more and more frequent.

 

[richaceg]

p.s. on an unrelated note, I want to point out that I could not believe a Christian camp for teens would only accept white. In 2025??? Really?

Was that really true or just an assumption by a twitter account you follow?