Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

richaceg

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Just saw the pic on CNN. Doesn’t look like a trans person to me but we’ll have to see.
what does a trans person look like?
What the left thinks a trans person look like...

what a trans person actually looks like...
 

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I am actually more moderate on gun control issues in the U.S.

I presume Canada has stricter gun laws. I'm curious. Would Canada's gun laws have prevented this assassination?
Nope.

Not unless the shooter was a criminal and was denied a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL). Otherwise, if he took the course and had no domestic violence suspicion, he would likely be approved for a PAL.

I read that an older bolt-action .30 caliber hunting rifle was found. This is about as mainstream medium-big game (deer moose, bear) classic hunting rifle as there is.

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There is no way this class of rifle can be banned in Canada unless we outlaw hunting, including sustenance hunting.

.30 calibre is the bullet diameter, but the cartridges that shoot .30 cal bullets can range from the John Wayne cowboy 30-30 lever action to 300 Winchester Magnum or even 300 Remington Ultra Magnum. Police snipers genreally use 300 Winmag. Some military snipers use the 300 PRC if they aren't shooting .50 BMG. IIRC .50 BMG is now illegal in Canada.

The AR-15 / AK style 'assault rifles' also shoot .30 cal called a 7.62mm NATO which is roughly equivalent to (but actually less powerful) the most common hunting round, the .308 Winchester. (AR-15 style also comes in a lighter round called 5.56mm NATO which is (vitrually) the same as the civilian Remington 223 . Another of the most common general duty medium game (coyotes, wolves even woodchucks/groundhogs etc)


And if the gun and ammo were securely (and separately) stored by the owner, (say the parent or grandpa etc) as required by Canadian law, then the kid shouldn't be able to access it.
 
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richaceg

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Are you sure that your Signature Photo person is "Cis"? If you look between her legs it could be six of one or half a dozen of the other!! :p 😊:D:LOL::ROFLMAO:
I wouldn't trust any lefty about what a real woman is...if you like to put your penis on a hole where a penis used to be, i'm not one to judge..."cis" is just another made up term by the progressives... nothing wrong if you love fake vaginas...just be upfront about it.
 

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I wouldn't trust any lefty about what a real woman is...if you like to put your penis on a hole where a penis used to be, i'm not one to judge..."cis" is just another made up term by the progressives... nothing wrong if you love fake vaginas...just be upfront about it.
richaceg, it is time for you to go back to school to learn about the actual Science and not the MAGA political jargon:

No, "cis" and "trans" are not made-up terms; "cis" is a Latin prefix meaning "on the same side," while "trans" means "on the opposite side," and these prefixes have long been used in scientific fields like chemistry and genetics before being applied to describe gender identity in the 1990s. The term "cisgender" was coined to provide a precise, non-marginalizing way to refer to people whose gender identity aligns with the sex they were assigned at birth.
Put your MAGAHat aside for a change!!
 

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Dowd fired by MSNBC

He was telling the truth and if Trump didn't have the House and Senate, MSNBC would not have fired someone for stating the obvious. The only comment I think was silly was "a supporter shooting off his gun," but the rest was bang on.
 

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Yes, I can.
Political violence has always been a part of the American political landscape. It's not really new.
Historically, our political debates have been quite intense. Some extreme people are agitated and motivated enough to believe they can make a difference through violence. We might both deem a lone wolf as unstable, but that is a different discussion.

No one is saying you, squeeze, mandy and others are directly supporting political violence. We just think you take a cavalier attitude towards this violence.

No, it's just we do not fake mourn for someone we believe was a POS in life. This doesn't mean we think someone should kill them, but do not expect us to pretend he was a good guy in death. The same can be said of the CEO who got shot in the head by Mangione. The CEO was a POS, but that doesn't mean the shooter should be let free. Did I shed a tear for the CEO, no, I did not. Do I shed a tear for Kirk, not one.
 
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Not a "damn good shot" if he was going for a head shot. The bullet struck about 6 inches low of the temple where you'd target for a max-visual effect head shot.

Bullet drop is the easiest ballistic trajectory axis to calculate and dial in for. This appears to be less than a 150 yard shot. With just about any center-fire rifle cartridge, the bullet drop trajectory is essential FLAT for that distance. And IF this was a 'professional hit', then the location and distance would be known and the distance calculated and the scope sighted in for that distance.

Any woodchuck hunting kid can hit a gopher 4 times out of 5 with a .22 rimfire at that distance. Any deer hunter with an old lever action 30-30 can hit a deer in the heart, through the underbrush, at that distance. Even with iron sights, no scope. Average rifle target shooters can shoot three shot groups within the diameter of a walnut at 150 yards. Some college kid with his grandpa's 30-06 or .308 bolt action hunting rifle could go out in the desert for a couple afternoons of practice and easily make that shot.

Having said that. An average guy trying to kill a man at 150 yards with a center fire rifle should go for a centre-mass torso shot. It will almost certainly cause a mortal wound. Even wearing a (soft) bulletproof vest.

But anyone lone wolf doing this out of personal malice, mental illness or political glory... likely wants a dramatic splatter head shot. Just like American movies and video games celebrate as good clean fun entertainment!

I would suspect that a professional, state-actor level assassin would also not walk along the roofline and make himself visible. And he'd likely either leave the rifle behind, or ditch it asap so he could sneak away. Not carry a long gun through the campus and then drop it in the woods. (As reported by the WSJ?). That rifle drop location would also narrow the direction of the search for video clues etc as to where the shooter was going.

I also have an instinct to question the idea that the cartridges were engraved with trans or other political messages. First, the bullet would likely fragment upon impact destroying any engraving. Second, you'd want to have your own engraving machine as a reasonable person isn't going to go down to the Mall kiosk to get bullets or brass cases engraved with hate speech. Or he could just scratch it in with a nail? 🤷‍♂️ And if the gunman wanted to make a statement with engraving on the unspent rounds, he'd have left the rifle at the scene to be easily discovered.


I'm just musing aloud here... we don't know fuck all at this point. But just saying that unless the carotid artery was the desired impact point, it was not a great shot, even by gopher huntiing standards. When I was into guns 1,000 yard shots with a 22-250 bolt action rifle hitting a 6" round steel plate were the norm once you got sighted in.
If, as you say, it's not a problem, then that amateur was awful calm about things. The vast majority of us, would not find it so easy to pull the trigger, and walk away. It takes either sociopaths, or training to do that imo.

I think Charlie was sitting at the time, but he is still pretty animated, moving forward and back in his videos, so that could account for the location.

And using that common a rifle, virtually untraceable, would be the choice, no? It was dumped, another piece that pros do. They are going to DNA the fuck out of it. So we have to see what comes up there. And whether clothing is found. GSR is another thing.

As I said, speculation is the fun part!
 
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