Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

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who knows...I really hope it isn't, how would you spin it if he was? Schizo?
I hope this post ages better over the next few days.
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Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology: Sources

Investigators found ammunition
engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle, sources said. Justice Department officials cautioned that the investigation was still in its preliminary stages.
What is there to spin?
It would be political violence by a trans person.
The widespread suspicions right now are that it could be either political violence or a professional hit.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that the right has been pushing the "trans shooter" conspiracy theory for every other shooting where a trans person wasn't even involved.
 
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What is there to spin?
It would be political violence by a trans person.
The widespread suspicions right now are that it could be either political violence or a professional hit.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that the right has been pushing the "trans shooter" conspiracy theory for every other shooting where a trans person wasn't even involved.
In my opinion this was a professional hit but we’ll learn more in the following days.
 
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You made it sound like left wing political violence was all too common, but you haven't presented stats that show it to be that common.
I didn't say anything like that. I didn't even use the word common.

I said political violence (of any persuasion) is not unusual in the United States. I tried to put it into historical context.
 

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Has the shooter been arrested yet............crickets...........

A high powered rifle has been found. The longer this goes on the more convinced I am that the White House is riddled with FSB moles.
Why would the FSB give a shit about Charlie Kirk? he was a Trump loyalist and an effective mobilizer for Trump. So if Trump has ties to the Kremlin why would they kill a Trump supporter. Its too far from an election to make a move like that
 

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What is there to spin?
It would be political violence by a trans person.
The widespread suspicions right now are that it could be either political violence or a professional hit.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that the right has been pushing the "trans shooter" conspiracy theory for every other shooting where a trans person wasn't even involved.
Backtracking already, I see
 
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Except it was a damn good shot. To good for an amateur imo.
Not a "damn good shot" if he was going for a head shot. The bullet struck about 6 inches low of the temple where you'd target for a max-visual effect head shot.

Bullet drop is the easiest ballistic trajectory axis to calculate and dial in for. This appears to be less than a 150 yard shot. With just about any center-fire rifle cartridge, the bullet drop trajectory is essential FLAT for that distance. And IF this was a 'professional hit', then the location and distance would be known and the distance calculated and the scope sighted in for that distance.

Any woodchuck hunting kid can hit a gopher 4 times out of 5 with a .22 rimfire at that distance. Any deer hunter with an old lever action 30-30 can hit a deer in the heart, through the underbrush, at that distance. Even with iron sights, no scope. Average rifle target shooters can shoot three shot groups within the diameter of a walnut at 150 yards. Some college kid with his grandpa's 30-06 or .308 bolt action hunting rifle could go out in the desert for a couple afternoons of practice and easily make that shot.

Having said that. An average guy trying to kill a man at 150 yards with a center fire rifle should go for a centre-mass torso shot. It will almost certainly cause a mortal wound. Even wearing a (soft) bulletproof vest.

But anyone lone wolf doing this out of personal malice, mental illness or political glory... likely wants a dramatic splatter head shot. Just like American movies and video games celebrate as good clean fun entertainment!

I would suspect that a professional, state-actor level assassin would also not walk along the roofline and make himself visible. And he'd likely either leave the rifle behind, or ditch it asap so he could sneak away. Not carry a long gun through the campus and then drop it in the woods. (As reported by the WSJ?). That rifle drop location would also narrow the direction of the search for video clues etc as to where the shooter was going.

I also have an instinct to question the idea that the cartridges were engraved with trans or other political messages. First, the bullet would likely fragment upon impact destroying any engraving. Second, you'd want to have your own engraving machine as a reasonable person isn't going to go down to the Mall kiosk to get bullets or brass cases engraved with hate speech. Or he could just scratch it in with a nail? 🤷‍♂️ And if the gunman wanted to make a statement with engraving on the unspent rounds, he'd have left the rifle at the scene to be easily discovered.


I'm just musing aloud here... we don't know fuck all at this point. But just saying that unless the carotid artery was the desired impact point, it was not a great shot, even by gopher huntiing standards. When I was into guns 1,000 yard shots with a 22-250 bolt action rifle hitting a 6" round steel plate were the norm once you got sighted in.
 
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In my opinion this was a professional hit but we’ll learn more in the following days.
I really hope the shooter was a lone wolf.

I hope no one will be offended, but Trump and the FBI would give a group behind this hell. And some progressive loons will come out in support for this group.
 
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I really hope the shooter was a lone wolf.

I hope no one will be offended, but Trump and the FBI would give a group behind this hell. And some progressive loons will come out in support for this group.
If only Trump and co. would have the same attitude towards school shootings as they do for their political lap dog Charlie being killed. Maybe if they did Charlie would still be alive today.
 

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Not really.
The right pushing the trans shooter conspiracy theory for every other shooting where trans people weren't involved isn't new, even if this particular shooting was done by a trans person or a trans advocate.
This situation is different.
People have objected to Kirk's traditional views on gender identity.
Random killings are also very different than targeting a specific individual.
 

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This situation is different.
People have objected to Kirk's traditional views on gender identity.
Random killings are also very different than targeting a specific individual.
Yes, but I am not talking about that.
I am talking about the trans shooter conspiracy theories the right has pushed for quite a while in case of other mass shootings where the perpetrator was a male.
 

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