Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

Butler1000

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Yes, I can.
Political violence has always been a part of the American political landscape. It's not really new.
Historically, our political debates have been quite intense. Some extreme people are agitated and motivated enough to believe they can make a difference through violence. We might both deem a lone wolf as unstable, but that is a different discussion.

No one is saying you, squeeze, mandy and others are directly supporting political violence. We just think you take a cavalier attitude towards this violence.
Kirk was too. He said, in defense of the 2nd amendment, that there was an acceptable amount of gun deaths to go with it. And empathy was not real.

Everyone is just applying his teachings to his own demise.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Shooter looks like a right wing straight white male to me
Why would a right-winger be pro-trans and anti-fascist??



Chilling pics of Charlie Kirk ‘assassin’s sniper nest’ as murder weapon found ‘loaded with pro-trans & antifa messages’

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $100k for information leading to the shooter's arrest
 

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If, as you say, it's not a problem, then that amateur was awful calm about things. The vast majority of us, would not find it so easy to pull the trigger, and walk away. It takes either sociopaths, or training to do that imo.

I think Charlie was sitting at the time, but he is still pretty animated, moving forward and back in his videos, so that could account for the location.

And using that common a rifle, virtually untraceable, would be the choice, no? It was dumped, another piece that pros do. They are going to DNA the fuck out of it. So we have to see what comes up there. And whether clothing is found. GSR is another thing.

As I said, speculation is the fun part!

Agreed, speculating is harmlessly inconsequential and a good time waster.

Having said that, the pic of the suspect does have a military look.

But as to the professional aspect, it has been reported that the rifle was an old Mauser-style bolt action in the old 30-06 cartridge.

That is a heavy hitting cartridge invented in the early 1900's and used in both world wars, Korea and even Vietnam. It will take down moose and grizzly bears. However, it's not something that would be a professional marksman's 10th choice. You can buy a way more accurate bolt action 30 cal anything you want in the US without it being, practically traceable. Then again, Oswald used an old Italian army surplus Mannlicher-Carcano. (BTW, you can still buy surplus Italian War Rifles.. Never fired, just dropped on the ground, once. 🤭 )

Something doesn't add up to me though. In the pics released of the alleged shooter, he doesn't have a gun in his hands or otherwise visible.

He might have stashed the rifle earlier, so that would cover his entrance.

But why would he carry it out unless he was worried about getting into a gunfight? And if so, I'd imagine he want to be low key to make his getaway, not carrying some old bolt action rifle that would only get him shot on sight.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Sooner or later there will be payback and a Leftie will get assassinated as well.

Mark my words.

The Left has opened a can of worms with the 2 attempts on Trump, and now Charlie Kirk
 
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Sooner or later there will be payback and a Leftie will get assassinated as well.

Mark my words.

The Left has opened a can of worms with the 2 attempts on Trump, and now Charlie Kirk
Thinking about someone retaliating against leftists for retribution got your little pussy wet, huh?
 
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You could become POTUS. Seems to be the only job you could easily get as a convicted criminal.
:ROFLMAO: See I laughed Jali. That's funny.
Too many here take things too seriously.
 
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Sooner or later there will be payback and a Leftie will get assassinated as well.

Mark my words.

The Left has opened a can of worms with the 2 attempts on Trump, and now Charlie Kirk
Lol 2 attempts on Trump. If you believe he was ever shot, I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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Nope.

Not unless the shooter was a criminal and was denied a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL). Otherwise, if he took the course and had no domestic violence suspicion, he would likely be approved for a PAL.

I read that an older bolt-action .30 caliber hunting rifle was found. This is about as mainstream medium-big game (deer moose, bear) classic hunting rifle as there is.

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There is no way this class of rifle can be banned in Canada unless we outlaw hunting, including sustenance hunting.

.30 calibre is the bullet diameter, but the cartridges that shoot .30 cal bullets can range from the John Wayne cowboy 30-30 lever action to 300 Winchester Magnum or even 300 Remington Ultra Magnum. Police snipers genreally use 300 Winmag. Some military snipers use the 300 PRC if they aren't shooting .50 BMG. IIRC .50 BMG is now illegal in Canada.

The AR-15 / AK style 'assault rifles' also shoot .30 cal called a 7.62mm NATO which is roughly equivalent to (but actually less powerful) the most common hunting round, the .308 Winchester. (AR-15 style also comes in a lighter round called 5.56mm NATO which is (vitrually) the same as the civilian Remington 223 . Another of the most common general duty medium game (coyotes, wolves even woodchucks/groundhogs etc)


And if the gun and ammo were securely (and separately) stored by the owner, (say the parent or grandpa etc) as required by Canadian law, then the kid shouldn't be able to access it.
Thank you for the straightforward and informative answer.
 

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After reading the comments in this thread, and reading many celebratory tweets from Liberals, I probably wont lose much sleep if/when it happens
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage."

Stand with your man and embrace the lack of empathy. He didn't want it for others, you shouldn't expect it for him.
 
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His political views were very extreme and his support for the 2nd A was part of that and how he made his generous income. It's all part of a package and it's very far right.

"Trad wifing" ain't mainstream.
They're only extreme to someone who resides on the extreme left.
 

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Agreed, speculating is harmlessly inconsequential and a good time waster.

Having said that, the pic of the suspect does have a military look.

But as to the professional aspect, it has been reported that the rifle was an old Mauser-style bolt action in the old 30-06 cartridge.

That is a heavy hitting cartridge invented in the early 1900's and used in both world wars, Korea and even Vietnam. It will take down moose and grizzly bears. However, it's not something that would be a professional marksman's 10th choice. You can buy a way more accurate bolt action 30 cal anything you want in the US without it being, practically traceable. Then again, Oswald used an old Italian army surplus Mannlicher-Carcano. (BTW, you can still buy surplus Italian War Rifles.. Never fired, just dropped on the ground, once. 🤭 )

Something doesn't add up to me though. In the pics released of the alleged shooter, he doesn't have a gun in his hands or otherwise visible.

He might have stashed the rifle earlier, so that would cover his entrance.

But why would he carry it out unless he was worried about getting into a gunfight? And if so, I'd imagine he want to be low key to make his getaway, not carrying some old bolt action rifle that would only get him shot on sight.
Until they get him, and more importantly his social media, and history, it's all not going to make sense. A pro who made mistakes? An amateur who got this far?

My big thing is still the ability to pull the trigger.
 
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Why would a right-winger be pro-trans and anti-fascist??



Chilling pics of Charlie Kirk ‘assassin’s sniper nest’ as murder weapon found ‘loaded with pro-trans & antifa messages’

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $100k for information leading to the shooter's arrest
False trail? If he isn't caught it's an effective tool to martyr him. Why would you assume the shooter is telling the truth?

Honestly if I was an old school Neo Con out to take out what I considered a threat to the direction of right wing politics, as some on the right did, it's an obvious choice to make to false flag this.

And a classic of the deep state.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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False trail? If he isn't caught it's an effective tool to martyr him. Why would you assume the shooter is telling the truth?

Honestly if I was an old school Neo Con out to take out what I considered a threat to the direction of right wing politics, as some on the right did, it's an obvious choice to make to false flag this.

And a classic of the deep state
You've been reading too many infowars articles
 
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Butler1000

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You've been reading too many infowars articles
Enjoying speculation. Until there is proof sky is the limit. Charlie was an up an coming political figure who imo would have used his organization, connections, grassroots and media presence to run for the Presidency in 2032. He was a threat to others on the right with the same idea.

He was also becoming critical of Israel. Maybe Mossad was involved.

All I am doing here is speculation in the same vein as the majority of Trump's base.
 

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I think it is wrong to kill a person even if he is a repugnant jerk who celebrated the Pelosi attack and the Minnesota Democrats assassination.
He never celebrated either. Typical left wing rubbish.
 

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