Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

Frankfooter

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I'm betting that he will go down as a martyr in the history of the Trump-led jihad.

How that will be viewed once the Trump Cult comes crashing down is another matter.

But in the meantime, the social mediaverse has finally stopped "Epstein" trending!
I assume that since it wasn't an immigrant, Muslim or left winger that we will be back to the usual subjects very soon.
Phil won't give up, but the rest will likely back off.
 

WyattEarp

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Because social media is changing the society I live in.

I have never subscribed to Twitter. My mind either isn;t sophisticated, or simple, enough to get much value out of a 127 words. Or how many they are up to now.🤷‍♂️

And let me point ot a fundamental flaw in your premise.

Not only is it hard to look up a "certain type of garbage", it is sometimes impossible to find the certain type each of us is lookiing for.

Algorithm's feed us what keeps our eyeballs engaged.

And those same algorithm's that stalk us by fingerprinting (cookies are for amateurs) our computers and deeply analyzing our browsing also make it hard for our searches to find anything outside of what we already are interested in according to the algorithm's.
I guess we are looking at the word "find" differently.
I don't watch cable news and I don't spend much time on Twitter. Twitter doesn't recommend political stuff to me. It is more likely to suggest an escort's Twitter page.

My point wasn't actually about how easy it was to find garbage though. My point was there a lot of right wing and left wing propaganda (aka garbage).

PS- BTW, I'm pretty sure the algorithms are good at linking people to their interests including garbage and escorts.
 
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SchlongConery

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Like I said before, stay classy. :rolleyes:

Simply saying that is pretty low-brow.

There is a saying somewhere that saying the word "classy" shows a lack of class.

No one is "classy" in the Politics forum. Including me. It is the UFC/MMA of TERB!

Now stfu before I type you a swift hard kick in your pre-op balls and wait for someone to call you a leftie. Or righty. Or criticize your spelling or grammar. Then call you Hitler! 😜

Now where were we?

Oh yeah using the irony of this second amendment proponent getting shot in the vocal chords to point out how dangerous the US has become for anyone because of the unfettered fetishism of having the RIGHT of virtually anyone to own and carry just about any gun they want. And that his death really shouldn't matter that much because, according to his own beliefs and public promotions, a few lives are the price we pay for the Second Amendment. Or is it just applicable to the lives of others?
 

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There's certain things that aren't exactly wrong, but are best not said.

Somewhat of an example is when Bill Maher's show Politically Incorrect was cancelled by ABC in 2002. He said that the 9/11 terrorists were not cowards. Suicide attackers are anything but cowards.
Isn't free speech free speech?
 

WyattEarp

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Isn't free speech free speech?
Yes.
Kirk and Maher had a right to say whatever they wanted. However, freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism of your speech.
 

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Looks like killer was a nick fuentes fan, which means he was too right wing for Kirk. If true that will be absolutely devastating and embarassing for the right.
 
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This bloke gives off the vibes of the Trump shooter.
But let's wait before drawing conclusions.

Do know the Russians and Chinese are in full bore throwing around as much disinformation as they can, pretending to be average americans, as they sincerely want americans to start killing Americans.
Thus if youre falling for the more outrageous stuff you're being played.
MAGA too
 
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Does callously dismissing thousands of innocent firearm murder victims as the price society pays for the Second Amendment not display a lack of respect?
no

you are too stunned to distinguish between a cold blooded murder and advocating for the protection of freedoms
and he never disrespected any victims as individuals.
he was certainly a peaceful family man with a wife and kids who just happened not to share your extreme views on gun control

you are delusional if you think you can control a populations behavior

But noting the irony of of him literally being shot in the vocal chords, maybe FOR saying the above, is disrespectful?
that is just stupid
no normal person would take any joy out of a cold blooded murder nor justify it via something the victim said
you want the freedom to express your views don't you?
they are almost guaranteed to be offensive to someone

it appears both Dr king and Charlie kirk were targeted and murdered for speaking out about issues which were important to them



I'd argue that Mr. Kirk died doing exactly what he loved. And by noting it, it respects the core value of his devotion to the Second Amendment. 😉
by mocking him ?
by dancing gleefully on his grave?
by calling him callous?

your argument is wrong, it respects nothing
 

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The engraved messages he is supposed to have written are socialist, but not gay-referenced.

If I was gay in Utah, I would have been on that Greyhound to CA at 18 years old. So I am going to assume "straight, white and alienated from his dad's beliefs".

assume away
let us know when you get one right
you are an embarrassment
 
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Anyone else impressed that TR hit his target, Kirk's carotid artery, from 200 yards out with one shot?
No reports that he is an expert level, damn good for an amateur or did he get lucky?
 

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Anyone else impressed that TR hit his target, Kirk's carotid artery, from 200 yards out with one shot?
No reports that he is a sharpshooter, damn good for an amateur or did he get lucky?
With a good scope its not that hard.

I think he actually may have missed the heart, and hit his neck instead
 

SchlongConery

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What would it do at this point?

There are 400M firearms in the USA.

So true.

When I turned in my guns for destruction many years ago, rather than sell them, I did so because I never wanted the risk that MINE might be the ones to kill or hurt someone or some thing. I would gladly, and did, give up my 'right' to firearms in Canada and would 100% support laws reducing the prevalence of guns in Canada. I did so at a cost of probably $25k as I had a couple of nice engraved Benelli trap shooting guns, a MacMIllan 50 cal in addition to a half dozen handguns and bunch of other misc rifles.

However, the US is beyond any recovery when it comes to guns. So IF I lived in the US, I would definitely own a self defence short barrel shotgun and a concealed carry small frame 40 S&W. In fact, probably 15 years ago when I had a place in Florida, I got a FL DL and took the CCW course and had a nice little cheap compact 40 cal of some sort I bought at a gun show. Ended up being a PITA to carry and secure and the places I frequented were hardly dangerous areas. So I ended up selling it back to a pawn shop.

NO WAY they are ever going to gather up the guns on the USA. Even if there was a price of $1,000 on every POS gun out there, they'd never find them all. So many sitting forgotten in basements, barns, old cars boxes etc. I think your 400M number is low.

I have zero ideas of any realistic or practical solutions to the gun problem in the US. Except to live in Canada and hoep the gov't invokes the notwithstanding clause and enacts 5 and 10 year minimum sentences for simply carrying a firearm (5 years) and (10 years) for carrying or using the firearm in the commission of another offence. Including traffic offences. Having a gun when a cop pulls someone over puts the stop on a whole next level.
 

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Anyone else impressed that TR hit his target, Kirk's carotid artery, from 200 yards out with one shot?
No reports that he is an expert level, damn good for an amateur or did he get lucky?
Have we already reached the point where right wingers are congratulating the right wing killer for being a good shot on the right wing commentator?
 
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