Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

Phil C. McNasty

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Well, it doesn't get any more public than what happened to Kirk.
Did Kirk refer to the 2 assassins who tried to kill Trump, or to just political opponents in general (like Hillary Clinton, Pelosi, Walz.....etc)??
 

kherg007

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Post the video where Kirk called for public execution of political opponents, please (I'm not digging through 49 pages to find it)
I thought I heard it but I cannot find it either. Thus, it should be a reminder that disinformation from both sides is seriously flooding the zone right now, thus any time you see something too perfect from your pov make sure to check it twice!!!
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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I thought I heard it but I cannot find it either. Thus, it should be a reminder that disinformation from both sides is seriously flooding the zone right now, thus any time you see something too perfect from your pov make sure to check it twice!!!
Its right there above this post of yours lol.
 
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SchlongConery

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Is it actually making light of, though, or just stating a fact?
It's a fact that many innocent people are murdered in the USA because of the unintended consequences of the right to bear arms. He made light of, and dehumanized the individual people who paid the price of the Second Amendment.

I'd go so far as to say many of those dead murder victims, especially the school aged children didn't support the Second Amendment. Nor were they open eyed, willing self-sacrificing heroes championing the second amendment.

It is a fact that he depersonalizedthe 2nd Amendment murder victims that pre-deceased him.

He became rich and influential by self-promotion and the 2nd amendment. And he's dead because of both.
 
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cunning linguist

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He believed in no laws. He was an absolutist on this subject. And again, clearly stated that he accepted the price of gun violence for that right.

Of course the shooter will pay a price too. As he should. But my indifference is a direct result of his idrology

Live by the gun, die by the gun.
I hadn't heard of Charlie Kirk before this, but to say that anyone "believed in no laws" to be a stretch. Is there any evidence to back up this claim?
 

Butler1000

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I dare anyone of these pathetic letfys to be HONEST and deal with the fallout. But they won't. Not one of them will come right out and say. They will just hide behind memes and make jokes. Cowards. Every one of them.
What fallout? It was just another shooting out of over 30,000 per year. A perfectly acceptable statistic according to Charlie.
 

Frankfooter

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Exactly. And when the effects of free speech has related consequences (Kirk being shot and Maher being fired), then saying so is fair game and also free speech.

Now let me be unambiguously clear:

I do not believe that Charlie Kirk should have been murdered as he was over expressing and promoting his (vile, cold and disrespectful) opinions. I think it was horrific there is no excuse or valid justification for it. I also don't have a beef with ABC firing Maher as his opinions were not good for business, and ABC is a business first and foremost.

But the irony of Kirk being shot under the rights provided by the Second Amendment and ABC whose very existence relies on the First Amendment protection of free speech should not be set aside.
Well put.

One of the tenets of the anti woke movement is that free speech should also be free from repercussions. I'd disagree with that argument, if you talk like an asshole you should be treated like an asshole. But the repercussions also have to be reasonable and within limits. Murder is way, way over those limits.
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The new take is that the engravings were not leftie slogans, but gaming nerd catch phrases.
These are Nick Fuentes 'Groyper' slogans.
 

cunning linguist

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It's a fact that many innocent people are murdered in the USA because of the unintended consequences of the right to bear arms. He made light of, and dehumanized the individual people who paid the price of the Second Amendment.

I'd go so far as to say many of those dead murder victims, especially the school aged children didn't support the Second Amendment. Nor were they open eyed, willing self-sacrificing heroes championing the second amendment.

It is a fact that he depersonalizedthe 2nd Amendment murder victims that pre-deceased him.

He became rich and influential by self-promotion and the 2nd amendment. And he's dead because of both.
That's not making light of.

Paraphrasing what another poster said earlier, automotive deaths are a result and reality of owning and operating vehicles. That isn't making light of the situation, it's stating a fact.
 

Frankfooter

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You, Pierce and the other right wing chatterboxes might want to refresh your understanding of fascism. By your own assesment of this lone shooter he was the polar opposite of fascism. And Kirk met the textbook definition .

"A fascist is a proponent or supporter of fascism, a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a strong, centralized state, a cult of personality around a powerful leader, militarism, and the suppression of individual rights, democracy, and opposition.

Fascism often emphasizes national decline, purity, and the use of violence for what it sees as national revitalization, opposing liberalism, democracy, and communism. "
This was stochastic terrorism.
 

bver_hunter

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I'm jsut having fun with word play. I know you are not one of those anti-trans knuckle draggers, Many of whom who claim it is a "choice", are mad that they are fighting their choice. Being heterosexual myself, there is no "choice" in my head. Nothing in the world would make me feel sexual towards a man. It doesn't occur to me that there is any choice in the matter. Looking back at my childhood, there were kids that, from like age 5, displayed signs of being feminine. Turns out that each of them that I have since met or learned about somehow, ended up being gay.

I sometimes work with a trans 'girl'. Nothing flaming about her. Great worker, does not sexualize herself in any way. Dress, mannerisms etc are what I'd consider normal Don't know if she is post op or to what degree but you'd really have to think and look hard to even suspect her. Mid -20s, tall, long hair a bit lanky and would certainly cause a guy to look twice at her in terms of being attractive. Until I was told, I had no idea. It would have taken me a while to figure it out. Have had some conversation with her about her "choice" and she says she always felt like a girl. From as early as she can remember. Said it was difficult 'coming out' because her parents are very traditional and she was so worried that she might become outcast from the family. Fortunately, her parents loved her so much that, while it was difficult for them to accept, they did and have been loving and supportive. She lives what she says is a 'normal life' now.

First time I've ever known a trans person but have heard similar from gay friends.

To me, growing up in the 70's when being called a 'fag' was the ultimate insult, I am happy that the LGBTQ.xyz123 people are able to live normal lives without too much hate and bad energy around them.

But I don't agree with trans women competing against female athletes. Maybe if sports gets split up more like heavyweight/welterweight boxing by size etc than I'd maybe be ok with it. But I think it's unfair to chomosome-biological women to have to compete against chomosome--natural men 🤷‍♂️
I totally agree. Even when I was in primary school there was one individual who was very feminine, and as it turns out became a transgender. His family later disowned him. But we were trained to accept him for what he was. He did really well in school considering what he must have been through, and apparently is now a medical practitioner.

Agree, that one day the Olympics and other sporting events should probably have a separate Trans section.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Ah now the mental gymnastics starts.
This is why no one takes the right seriously or shares your fake outrage when things like this happen
Nowhere does Kirk say that we should execute political opponents.
Until you post a video where he says exactly that, you have no argument

EDIT: we dont take you guys seriously either btw :D
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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That's not making light of.

Paraphrasing what another poster said earlier, automotive deaths are a result and reality of owning and operating vehicles. That isn't making light of the situation, it's stating a fact
Bingo!!! This guy gets it
 
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