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Report: Five members of Canada’s 2018 WJC team told to surrender to London Police

mandrill

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Good lord that defense attorney is NOT helping his client!

"Maybe you liked it! No, I was scared and drunk"

"Maybe you WANTED 5 guys in the room! No, I was very drunk, and 5 large guys surprised and scared me"
He's hoping that he has 1 or 2 jury members like Kirk or Ono who want to believe that the girl secretly loved it and that they will hang the jury and cause a mis trial.
 

Fun For All

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He's hoping that he has 1 or 2 jury members like Kirk or Ono who want to believe that the girl secretly loved it and that they will hang the jury and cause a mis trial.
With McLeod's attorney and what Carter Hart's attorney has done, the defence hasn't changed my mind on the players guilt...the girls story is more believable than the suggestions the attorneys have presented about her.
 

mandrill

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With McLeod's attorney and what Carter Hart's attorney has done, the defence hasn't changed my mind on the players guilt...the girls story is more believable than the suggestions the attorneys have presented about her.
We're not sitting in the court room and we might not pick up the actual vibe. But I think the girl is believable, as well.

But all the defence needs is 1 witness who thinks the girl is a "lying slut who was asking for it and deserved what she got" to hang that jury.

And that's all the cards the defence is holding in its hand.
 

jalimon

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We're not sitting in the court room and we might not pick up the actual vibe. But I think the girl is believable, as well.

But all the defence needs is 1 witness who thinks the girl is a "lying slut who was asking for it and deserved what she got" to hang that jury.

And that's all the cards the defence is holding in its hand.
If society would not value a girl that decides to have a bit of fun as a slut we would not have that trial. And these guys would have their normal lives again.
 

mandrill

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If society would not value a girl that decides to have a bit of fun as a slut we would not have that trial. And these guys would have their normal lives again.
I think you miss the whole point of the trial.
 

mandrill

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I had to read that twice to make sure I read it right you have to be kidding or that’s the most stupidest thing anybody has written on here
It's the thrust of the defence cross examinations and the defence lawyers are clearly hoping there are Jalimons on the jury..

It's the hackneyed "She really enjoyed getting fucked by 5 guys, but felt guilty the next morning"
 

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I think that none of these guys will ever see a day in jail with respect to this trial and that some of these guys if not all will eventually sue the London Police down the road.
These guys are reckless and stupid but not criminals .
 
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I think that none of these guys will ever see a day in jail with respect to this trial and that some of these guys if not all will eventually sue the London Police down the road.
These guys are reckless and stupid but not criminals .
They might not see a day in jail but I think they’ll get convicted on all charges…

Saying they are going to sue the London Police is ridiculous, they’ve committed crimes.
 

lomotil

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They might not see a day in jail but I think they’ll get convicted on all charges…

Saying they are going to sue the London Police is ridiculous, they’ve committed crimes.
If they are convicted on all charges then they will be incarcerated !
However, I don’t think that that will be the verdict.
 

boobtoucher

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This strategy tells me how little the defense actually has:

1: you dissociated due to your alcohol consumption and fear of being raped
2: the new personality decided it "wanted it"
3: your newly minted new personality consented on your behalf.

i.e.: the trauma, caused by my client, caused you to have a trauma response, and the trauma response made it o.k. for my client to continue traumatizing you.

The crown is going to eat this up on closing. Defense is going to have to present an expert that will be able to verify Dissociative Identity Disorder with no prior symptoms.
 
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K Douglas

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I'm going to say this. I don't like what these guys did, they took advantage of a girl who was clearly intoxicated. She had 12 drinks at the bar. But in my opinion they are not guilty of sexual assault.
 
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boobtoucher

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I'm going to say this. I don't like what these guys did, they took advantage of a girl who was clearly intoxicated. She had 12 drinks at the bar. But in my opinion they are not guilty of sexual assault.
Fabulous news: Your opinion doesn't mean shit.


The Criminal Code also says there is no consent when:

  • Someone says or does something that shows they are not consenting to an activity
  • Someone says or does something to show they are not agreeing to continue an activity that has already started
  • someone is incapable of consenting to the activity, because, for example, they are unconscious
  • the consent is a result of a someone abusing a position of trust, power or authority
  • someone consents on someone else’s behalf.
A person cannot say they mistakenly believed a person was consenting if:

  • that belief is based on their own intoxication; or
  • they were reckless about whether the person was consenting or;
  • they chose to ignore things that would tell them there was a lack of consent; or
  • they didn’t take proper steps to check if there was consent.
by "taking advantage of a girl who is clearly intoxicated", you've committed sexual assault. That's the law. The split personality defense violates Item 5. "Porn Star EM" can't consent for "regular EM".
 

onomatopoeia

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by "taking advantage of a girl who is clearly intoxicated", you've committed sexual assault. That's the law. The split personality defense violates Item 5. "Porn Star EM" can't consent for "regular EM".
Without seeing the cell phone videos of EM in the hotel room, there's no way for anyone who wasn't there to know how clear her level of intoxication was.
 

boobtoucher

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Without seeing the cell phone videos of EM in the hotel room, there's no way for anyone who wasn't there to know how clear her level of intoxication was.
So, I was quoting K Douglas with the "girl who is clearly intoxicated", but I can quote the DEFENSE attourney too:

E.M. answers that she chose to drink, but she should be able to drink and “not have happen to me what happened.”

“It was your choice to get drunk?” Brown asks.

E.M. says yes, she was taking shots.
Brown said the one thing that’s remained constant from 2018, 2022 to this trial in 2025 is the amount of alcohol E.M. says she drank that night.

That she was drunk is not really for debate. Both the crown and the defense have stated that. It looks like the defense attorney is trying to confuse the jury on the matter of law: i.e. make them forget that drunk people can't consent.
 
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