I don't speak for the police...and this is not a clear cut case.
To add, I don't think the original Police investigators did a very good job, maybe they had your view.
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To add, I don't think the original Police investigators did a very good job, maybe they had your view.
Rick Westhead: Jury hears first evidence in London hockey trial | TSN
A jury deciding the fate of five former members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team charged with sexual assault watched a series of surveillance videos Monday that show E.M., the complainant in the case, arriving at a London bar around 11 p.m. on June 18, 2018, moving between an ATM, a bar...
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'' “…The Crown anticipates that you will not hear from [E.M.] that she said “no” to the specific sexual acts that constitute a sexual assault, nor that she was physically resisting at those times. ''
''Donkers said jury members would hear testimony about two brief videos that were taken by McLeod of [E.M.] towards the end of the night, in which [E.M.] made statements including “it was all consensual.”
I've seen the video where she says it was all consensual after she came out of the shower. I don't see how the prosecution is going to get around that.
That's why you hear evidence and have a trial.Rick Westhead: Jury hears first evidence in London hockey trial | TSN
A jury deciding the fate of five former members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team charged with sexual assault watched a series of surveillance videos Monday that show E.M., the complainant in the case, arriving at a London bar around 11 p.m. on June 18, 2018, moving between an ATM, a bar...
'' “…The Crown anticipates that you will not hear from [E.M.] that she said “no” to the specific sexual acts that constitute a sexual assault, nor that she was physically resisting at those times. ''
''Donkers said jury members would hear testimony about two brief videos that were taken by McLeod of [E.M.] towards the end of the night, in which [E.M.] made statements including “it was all consensual.”
I've seen the video where she says it was all consensual after she came out of the shower. I don't see how the prosecution is going to get around that.
I am guessing that she was too drunk to know what was happening and she went over to have sex with 1 guy and got gang banged. If that's the scenario, it would support a sexual assault conviction
The prosecution might say she thought she had to say that to get out safely...why might have happened if she said it wasn't consensual and why did McLeod think it was important to ask her that it he thought everything was ok?Rick Westhead: Jury hears first evidence in London hockey trial | TSN
A jury deciding the fate of five former members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team charged with sexual assault watched a series of surveillance videos Monday that show E.M., the complainant in the case, arriving at a London bar around 11 p.m. on June 18, 2018, moving between an ATM, a bar...
'' “…The Crown anticipates that you will not hear from [E.M.] that she said “no” to the specific sexual acts that constitute a sexual assault, nor that she was physically resisting at those times. ''
''Donkers said jury members would hear testimony about two brief videos that were taken by McLeod of [E.M.] towards the end of the night, in which [E.M.] made statements including “it was all consensual.”
I've seen the video where she says it was all consensual after she came out of the shower. I don't see how the prosecution is going to get around that.
I'd like to hear how the defence claim it was consensual of Formenton fucking her on the bathroom floor with Foote rubbing his dick in her face...
The laws of the gang bang and the laws of sexual assault are different.
Yes, she went back to the hotel and was ok to be with one guy but not five...she might have bit off more than she could chew and I think some might get off but some will get convicted....it'll be a tough conviction and a tough defence, this won't be easy for either side.
Personally, I hope they get convicted because they treated that girl as badly as you would treat another person and took advantage of her.
Either that, or 1 of the jurors was tainted - i.e. trying to sell a story or hinting that he / she could be bribed?
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" ...Dube slapped [E.M.] on her naked buttocks while she was engaged in a sexual act with someone else ... "
I wouldn't vote to convict Dube for that act.
" ...Dube slapped [E.M.] on her naked buttocks while she was engaged in a sexual act with someone else ... "
I wouldn't vote to convict Dube for that act.
No, it's ok? You can slap them on the ass without consent? Dube also got a blow job...the Crown is saying they just did what they want regardless of consent.
Again, the laws of a group gang bang and the laws of sexual assault are different...but... they might get off, they might get convicted, it'll be a tough decision.
that's pure speculation. that is hard to prove in court. DNA sampling and witness corroboration...which is gonna be tricky...someone needs to prove it...or someone has to confess what happened.
mandrill says what i think is exactly what happened...and there is lots of proof that that is what happened, they won't need DNA and there will be lots of corroboration, the players got into a group chat a few days after about it...the issue is consent, was she up for it or did the players take advantage of her?
The damage is done for the players...they'll have a hard time signing an NHL contract again...meanwhile, the girl did get 3.5 million from Hockey Canada.
I don't consider an ass slap to be sexual assault. That was the extent of my commentary.
If it is unwanted it is…she wasn’t wearing any pants either
Possible grounds for an assault charge which would most likely not result in conviction, but not sexual assault. No jury will convict a man of sexual assault if his only misbehavior is a butt slap.
Juror illness pauses London hockey trial | TSN
The sexual assault trial of five former members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team did not hear testimony on Thursday because one of the jurors was ill, Justice Maria Carroccia told the court.
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Listen to the account of the testimony here...
Why did McLeod feel the need to take that video? He must have had some guilt feelings and knew the evening was wrong and it went to far to do that...to me that goes to his guilt of the night...don't be fooled by the video, she is a young naive girl that was taken advantage of and McLeod doing that video shows he knows so too.Juror illness pauses London hockey trial | TSN
The sexual assault trial of five former members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team did not hear testimony on Thursday because one of the jurors was ill, Justice Maria Carroccia told the court.
Listen to the account of the testimony here...
The girl might have just been going along to say that for her safety...what might have happened if she said "No, I didn't want the other guys here."
Those messages to the team asking who wants a 3-way and to Taylor Raddysh about a blow job...was that done with the girl's consent? Raddysh didn't answer but 10 players showed up, was the girl behind that or was it all McLeod with the invites?
Formenton fucking her on the bathroom floor with Foote rubbing his dick in her face...do you think she would of consented to that?
Rick Westhead: E.M. details alleged sexual assault in London hotel room at London hockey trial | TSN
E.M., the woman who has alleged she was sexually assaulted by five former members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team, told a jury Monday that after she had consensual sex with Michael McLeod early in the morning of June 19, 2018, she was sexually assaulted and felt she had to go along...
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The victim took the stand and tells a pretty bad story of the night at the hotel room, it's worse than I thought...the "consent" video was explained away rather easily and it doesn't look like it's gonna help the players at all.
The text messages after between McLeod and the victim show how selfish he is, he only wants her to get him out of this and shows no remorse for her.
The victim back then was a naive 20 year old girl who was drunk and easily manipulated by the players...now...she is 27, had a lot of time to reflect on the evening, has been well prepared by her own attorney and the crown and is not the easy touch that some thought she might have been...she is killing these guys.
Those players attorneys have there work cut out for them.
I guess what's puzzling to me is why weren't the players charged after the initial investigation? And what prompted them to charge the players 5 years after the fact. They must have known it would be an uphill climb to get a conviction.
The conspiracy theory in me thinks someone got to the London Police and persuaded them to let it go...how could anybody now that reads what happened not think crimes had occurred?
Maybe those Cops were just terrible and put it all on the "consent" video.
Now, a conviction doesn't seem so uphill...it seems probable.
1: A Hockey Canada rep, or one of the team sponsors, was buying the girl drinks at the bar, and Wing-manning for McLeod.
2: She tried to ditch him at the bar, and he followed her to the bathroom.
3: 7 or 8 players saw what was going on/were in the room and didn't step up
4: Her dad called Hockey Canada the day (or days) after, and a HC exec tipped the players off that an investigation was happening, allowing the players to get their story straight.
5: London police coaxed the girl to just "let us talk to them" rather than pressing charges.
Total failure from every player involved, Hockey Canada, and London police.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Get your children OUT of Hockey Canada programming. Their system is set up to cover up abuse (as shown in (4)), and in this case, they actively encouraged a sexual assault (as shown in (1)).
2: She tried to ditch him at the bar, and he followed her to the bathroom.
3: 7 or 8 players saw what was going on/were in the room and didn't step up
4: Her dad called Hockey Canada the day (or days) after, and a HC exec tipped the players off that an investigation was happening, allowing the players to get their story straight.
5: London police coaxed the girl to just "let us talk to them" rather than pressing charges.
Total failure from every player involved, Hockey Canada, and London police.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Get your children OUT of Hockey Canada programming. Their system is set up to cover up abuse (as shown in (4)), and in this case, they actively encouraged a sexual assault (as shown in (1)).
