The path for a referendum on Alberta separation has been laid out
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Separation of Alberta a province with crude oil production
that averages more than 4 million barrels per day would
be inevitable if the Liberals' net zero emission target is to
be met. I can see that majority of Canadians are climate sheeple
but only a small minority of them can pass as climate lunatics
who want to see Canada to cease to be an oil exporter.
Hence separation is going to be a hard sell to Canadians.
Construction of crude oil pipeline system transporting oil
from Alberta to Ontario so as to eradicate Eastern Canada's
dependence on imports of unethical though cheaper crude
oil from the gulf states could be crucial to our unity.
that averages more than 4 million barrels per day would
be inevitable if the Liberals' net zero emission target is to
be met. I can see that majority of Canadians are climate sheeple
but only a small minority of them can pass as climate lunatics
who want to see Canada to cease to be an oil exporter.
Hence separation is going to be a hard sell to Canadians.
Construction of crude oil pipeline system transporting oil
from Alberta to Ontario so as to eradicate Eastern Canada's
dependence on imports of unethical though cheaper crude
oil from the gulf states could be crucial to our unity.
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We will have to let them separate if they don't go along
with the Liberals' climate policies.
If the PEOPLE of the two provinces wanted separation they would have gone their way long ago. After the defeat of the second "neverendum", separatist sentiment in Que has been dormant for the last three decades. It is ALWAYS the political leadership that brings out the separatist threat, in the hopes of improving their stance in strategic bargaining.
Few will disagree with your statement:
"i am pretty sure 99%+ of Canadians do not want to see that (i.e. separation) happen". Surely, you include Albertans and Quebecers therein.
Under the current menace of the 51st state and tariffs, even some of the most ardent Quebec separatists are back-pedalling independence and softening their rigid positions on certain climate issues.
Smith was grandiosely confident that her cat was in the bag with a PP victory; that her entire wish list was achievable. That denied, she has become increasingly desperate and petulant and her hypocrisy exposed when she claims she is fighting for Canadian unity.
Carney's primary challenge is to figure out how to support the growth of Alberta's primary industries without destroying the environment. There will, surely, be much give and take in future negotiations.
But if Smith doesn't come off her high horse, she'll soon discover how easily she could be knocked down around the Premiers' table. As Levesque did.
Let's hope she abandons her sham referendum and gets serious about getting the best deal for Albertans.
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All 10 province plus the House of Commons & Senate would have to agree on that. As IF this would create the greatest constitutional crisis we've ever seen.
I mean, I'd love to Alberta given "colony" status by Canada and then taxed but not represented in the Commons, but fat chance of that ever happening either.
AB is a province of whiners.
I doubt even the Alberta/ Saskatchewan separatists want to see the entire country unravel and seeing Trump picking off provinces one at a time
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you are not paying attention
they do not want see the entire country unravel or Trump picking off provinces one at a time
however there is a growing number of Albertans who know Canadian confederation is not working for them and are willing to go it alone
of course Quebec is back-peddling
they know the would never get the same bribe $ from the states
the Americans would likely pass on Quebec and the associated headaches
the real value for the USA is in the western provinces
her expectation was a conservative govt would scrap Bill C-69 , eliminate all carbon taxes and get some pipelines built
i.e. some real change that Alberta requires
with the liberal victory, these changes are not going to happen and she is just ensuring the people of Alberta can choose a different direction if they are determined to do so
that is a ridiculous position to take
1. land locking Alberta oil and gas just mean more Saudi/ Iranian or Russian oil / gas is used
2. CO2 does not control our climate- This bullshit propaganda about CO2 has and will cause soo much harm
not really
Carney will have to decide and choose
1. hold this country together, which is his primary responsibility as Prime Minister
or
2. implement his net zero agenda
there is no real middle ground
that is the attitude which is at root of the western alienation
Canada can not continue to abuse the west and deliberately work to kill the Canadian oil and gas industry
the liberals drove billions of investment $ away from Alberta/ Sask into the USA
??
meanwhile Quebec has and continues to hold extort billions from Canada using the threat of separation
despite the Quebec population being unbelievably unproductive
Quebec would become a very poor country
Alberta would become a very rich country
call Quebec's bluff long before thinking about putting Alberta in their place
Quebec has a federal party sitting in parliament solely devoted to this cause/ extortion for Christ sake
Canadians are paying the BLOC mps to work towards the break up of our country !!!!!
meanwhile an Alberta Premier gets called a traitor for looking out for the interest of her province and fighting to preserve confederation
??
you do not seem to clue in that this has been an unresolved problem for Albertans since the 1970s -80s (Trudeau Senior)
the liberal party has treated Alberta like a door mat
many Albertans believe the best deal for Albertans is to sever ties with Ottawa (the liberal party) and Canada
if your spouse tells you she is considering a divorce , you can
1, call her a selfish cunt and give her another backhand slap
or
2. listen to her and try to figure out what you are doing wrong
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your entire argument is nullified by how Canada has bent over backwards to bribe Quebec for decades
"As IF Quebec separation would create the greatest constitutional crisis we've ever seen."
if Alberta/ Sask decide to leave, they will leave
with JeanGary Diablo standing there like a dummy, saying ''you whinners cant leave'', "we need your wealth and we have all this debt"
then it would become a race to see which provinces gets stuck with the Trudeau/ Carney debt
meanwhile Trump would be licking his chops " Have I got a deal for you" , one province at a time
He was wrong about the election, wrong about Trudeau, wrong about Alberta and wrong about climate change.
But he still thinks he's doing well here.
Meanwhile the Greenbelt scandal hasn't died here and we are just starting to dig into Ontario Place, Science Centre, 417, Shoppers, LCBO and health care privatization.
That's where we should be looking.
that has been corrected
what they can not survive is the Trudeau family and the Liberal Party of Canada
thanks for highlighting this despicable fact
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the question you should ask is what can the rest of Canada do when Alberta stops sending tax remittances to Ottawa ?
declare war on Alberta ?
US marines would be in Fort McMurry before Canada would be able to clean its muskets
for the millionth time you are dead wrong, Alberta can separate unilaterally if they chose to do so
you will be standing there like a dummy yelling " Alberta cannot separate unilaterally '' while nobody pays you any attention
Wake up
Quebec has been successfully extorting the the rest of Canada for decades because they can separate unilaterally
if Quebec can separate, Alberta can
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Everyone mixed it up thinking Quebec`s referendum was to unitarely separate from Canada. It was not.
It was to ask the Quebec population if they agreed to proclaim sovereignty from Canada on the condition of a political and economic agreement offering. In other word, Quebec was asking a permission to negotiate sovereignty.
Toronto has been the greatest winner of the election of the PQ in Quebec in 1976 and the 1980 referendum. Prior to that Montreal was to become the biggest city in Canada. Now Toronto is one of the biggest in America
yeah, i do not think the US would want the headache of Quebec expecting to be treated as "a distinct society'
the US would also be concerned about the amount of debt Ontario has
they likely can just steal the auto sector via corporate tax rates and not applying industrial carbon taxes , no need to assume all tht liberal debt
This is all political theatre by Danielle the Diva of Division. She is just getting everyone riled up to distract from the scandals that are piling up. And the typically dumb assed Albertans who have been fucked over by the Cons for decades are lapping it up.
Time for certain folk to open their eyes and ears and PAY ATTENTION to where P.M. Carney is coming from and where he plans to take Canada,
actions speak louder than words
we will not get pipelines built without repealing bill c-69 and he was quite clear in the campaign that bill c-69 is not going away
his agenda also includes emission/ production caps . Alberta will go balletic on this issue
his agenda also includes industrial carbon taxes, which will drive manufacturing out of this country and he was quite clear about industrial carbon taxes in the campaign
his agenda also include carbon tariffs on imports from countries that do not have a carbon tax and he was quite clear on that issue in the campaign
i.e. the USA and China
this is completely incompatible with the need to get the us tariffs lifted
Trump will tariff Canada into oblivion if Carney uses carbon tariffs
he also has the endorsement of the anti-oil environut Gerald Butts, and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault
so who was he lying to: Gerald Butts and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault ?
or
the electorate ?
as for being a green energy superpower,
that is ridiculous
#1. that is just a recipe for a government money pit
#2. Canada does not have a competitive advantage in green energy
green energy requires massive gov subsidies
decades of green energy nonsense and hundreds of billions spent on green energy and fossil fuels still deliver 80% of the worlds energy, down from 82% in the 1980s
Carney is going to spend big on a failed green energy strategy , just like Trudeau
he will also publicly state he is supportive of the oil industry, while continuing to strangle it via regulation, just like Trudeau
he said in English he would use PM powers to get infrastructure built while in Alberta and then said in French he would not force a pipeline while in Quebec
infrastructure does not necessarily mean pipelines , outside of Alberta , Sask
i suggest you Pay Attention to his specific answers to specific questions
lets be clear
Mark Carney will need to choose
1. hold this country together, which is his primary responsibility as Prime Minister
or
2. implement his net zero agenda
the two are not compatible with each other
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