Yes, that is a possibility. Or, the grandfather could have killed his wife and daughter. This would be an "honor killing" if they were Muslims or the grandfather would be held not criminally responsible because of mental illness if he was white.
12 Year Old Shot By Police
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You seem to "know" so much based on so little.Or, you know, maybe don't wave a knife around when you get upset. That's where I think things started going wrong. Ranting and yelling? Unpleasant but go right ahead. Pick up a knife and the situation becomes very different. If the family was scared enough to call the police, then things were over the line before the phone call was made, don't you think?
Yes, time and space might have produced a non-lethal outcome. Or the grandfather could have killed himself and then the refrain would be "WHY DIDN'T THE POLICE SHOW UP!?!? THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!!" The truth is that armed standoffs rarely result in a police shooting. Most people who are coherent enough to not be looking to hurt themselves follow police instructions and end the confrontation peacefully.
I think, just gut feeling, that the majority of police shootings would have had a bad outcome whether the cops were there or not. In the end, the cops' presence means the incident ends. Period. It doesn't go on and on and on.
I haven't read anything this stupid on this board before congrats!What did I say that's racist? It's the US Media (and the BBC) that makes it a "black/white" issue, Obama/Holder/Sharpton wedging it, and then you plugging it that way.
Really, how many 12 year olds are killed in America disobeying law enforcement orders. Eat your turkey and fill the belly, no-belly123.
That 12 year old was brought up to be a racist; otherwise, he would have done what he was told, like all 12 year olds.
Oh wait, the parents suddenly get a note from Dr. Sharpton and Dr. Jesse saying he has "bi-polar" bullshit.
P.S.: Obama is a racist----America knows that and voted GOP. That "disagree with Obama and you're racist" crap is gone.
Nothing incorrect about that.
Gyaos.
He's pretty consistent.I haven't read anything this stupid on this board before congrats!
No, I'm accusing y'all of being able to google. You find the item, and if it is on a racist clown site, you get the original source and link to it from there. Or if you're Aardvark, you link to both.1. You are assuming that we'd FIND those articles on those racist websites. You're effectively accusing everyone you're debating with of being racist and of perusing sites like that.
Or maybe, just maybe, not driving right up to a twelve year old and shooting him dead would also, you know, reduce the death toll somewhat.I think we all agree that it's tragic that these people die in such a way. But the police are trained to deal with potentially violent situations in a particular way. You're arguing that the police shouldn't be trained like that. You're not even considering that maybe people shouldn't act that way around cops. There are two sets of actors on either side of this equation. There are good reasons for police officers to act the way they do, for them to be trained the way they are. No training, no matter how effective, will be perfect. Maybe, just maybe, not assaulting a police officer will keep some people from getting shot by the police. Maybe, just maybe, not removing the pieces that identify a toy guy and teaching a 12 year old (not exactly a baby at that age: you can reason with a 12 year old) not to point even a toy guy at cops will keep that kid from being in a terrible situation.
But you are right. No training is perfect. However, cops - even American cops - are thoroughly trained in how to resolve situations without being trigger-happy fucks. But every single time a cop decides to ignore logic, the better part of their training, and their humanity and shoot first, the system exonerates them and all you cheerleaders go on about there being nothing wrong with it. Well there is.
The kid this thread is about. The other guy in Ohio who was on the phone with his wife while holding a toy gun in Wal Mart. As I mentioned before, Ohio is a motherfucking open carry state. For a cop to gun down someone in Ohio just for holding a firearm - toy or otherwise - is motherfucking wrong. The end.Give me an example of someone doing nothing wrong, just going about their normal course of business, and I'll pile on that cop right beside you.
So do I. But only one of us knows where to place the blame for how horribly it was resolved.A cop DOES have a higher duty and I DO hold them to a higher standard. I just don't hold them to an impossible standard that completely absolves the other side of the equation from any responsibility whatsoever. If someone, like Brown, escalates a non-violent situation into a violent confrontation, I know where I place the blame for the incident.
Red herring my ass. With Dillon Taylor they were responding to a call of someone waving a gun around and they have yet to make a statement as to whether a gun was found on the scene or not. So you're damned right that's an "if". With Brown, Wilson was afraid for his life because big bad black Hulk Hogan was going to bruise his cheek, not shoot him.I have to love this. The White unarmed man (who was justifiably shot) you write "if [he was unarmed]" but with a Black unarmed man ( Michael Brown) you state that police "knew for a fact he was unarmed" which of course wasn't the case at the time, but further is a red herring you are dragging across the trail.
Perhaps in the fullness of time you and Tugce Albayrak may be able to discuss how her being put into a fatal coma due to being punched, should not really put anyone else at all in fear of their life unless you (said person) can clearly see they have a weapon. Now of course that this hasn't been so in the Common Law since the Middle Ages is seemingly for you a matter of indifference.. . . Wilson was afraid for his life because big bad black Hulk Hogan was going to bruise his cheek, not shoot him.
Yeah. Surprised no one picked up on this one yet...Apparently, Officer Loemann might have a mental disorder.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...fatally-shot-tamir-rice-had-been-judged-unfit
Yeah. Surprised no one picked up on this one yet...
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...fatally-shot-tamir-rice-had-been-judged-unfit
Father of Cleveland cop who shot Tamir Rice says his son had no choice“During a state range qualification course, Ptl Loehmann was distracted and weepy,” Polak wrote, naming the trainer as Sgt Tinnirello. “[Loehmann] could not follow simple directions, could not communicate clear thoughts nor recollections, and his handgun performance was dismal. Sgt Tinnirello tried to work through this with Ptl Loehmann by giving him some time. But, after some talking it was clear to Sgt Tinnirello that the recruit was just not mentally prepared to be doing firearm training ...
“Ptl Loehmann continued with his emotional meltdown to a point where Sgt Tinnirello could not take him into the store, so they went to get something to eat and he continued to try and calm Ptl Loehmann. Sgt Tinnirello describes the recruit as being very downtrodden, melancholy with some light crying. Sgt Tinnirello later found this emotional perplexity was due to a personal issue with Ptl Loehmann’s on and off again girlfriend whom he was dealing with till 0400 hrs the night before. (Pti Loehmann was scheduled for 0800 the morning in question).”
Some of the comments made by Ptl Loehmann during this discourse were to the effect of, “I should have gone to NY”, “maybe I should quit”, “I have no friends”, “I only hang out with 73-year-old priests”, “I have cried every day for four months about this girl.”
In recommending Loehmann’s dismissal, Polak listed what he said were other performance shortcomings, including Loehmann’s having left his gun unlocked, lied to supervisors and failed to follow orders.
“Due to this dangerous loss of composure during live range training and his inability to manage this personal stress, I do not believe Ptl Loehmann shows the maturity needed to work in our employment,” Polak concludes. “For these reasons, I am recommending he be released from the employment of the city of Independence. I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/father_of_cleveland_cop_who_sh.html
Who's lying - the the incompetant cop or his old man? Ridiculous. Unfit for duty in a small town Independence but good enough for Cleveland's most dangerous district.Tim Loehmann wanted to follow in the footsteps of his father, who spent two decades with the New York Police Department and another 20 years with the U.S. Marshals Service. The younger Loehmann began his policing career in Independence in 2012, but he soon grew tired of the slow pace of suburban policing, his father said.
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"He loved the action," Loehmann said.
Yes, it is always best to kill people to prevent them from killing themselves. Your logic is impressive.Or the grandfather could have killed himself
