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101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public.

Hena dropped after 70.

Bloodied and bruised, she was taken to hospital, where she died a week later.

Amazingly, an initial autopsy report cited no injuries and deemed her death a suicide :eek:
 

james t kirk

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So, how do you explain the KKK clan?
I'm not an anthropologist, however, the KKK are not operating within the confines of the law or sanctioned by any religion. (They are kind of like outlaw motorcycle clubs - a group of people who reject societal norms and embrace their own system of laws and beliefs as correct.)
 

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Native Canadians might have something to say about outrages committed in the name of religion here. I gather rape was commonly practiced against them, along with a variety of other abuses.

That said, it sounds like a fair chunk of the Bangladeshi population are outraged over this girl's treatment too. It was a public outcry in her own country that led to her autopsy being redone, and the current charges against her abusers. The problem appears to be primarily in small, rural, out of the way, uneducated villages.

Perhaps the government there isn't doing enough about it, but they certainly don't support it.
 

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Bad comparison. Dahmer was one guy who acted alone against societal norms. This poor girl was whipped to death in public by a mob composed of the Imans, the "Village Elders" and there were trials, decries, fatwas, you name it.

Dahmer was a madman, this girl suffered death by a culture who blamed her for her own rape.

Surely you see the difference.

A more accurate comparison would be the Salem Witch Hunts of the 1700's in Salem Mass.
Amen to that and very diplomatic. I was going to use a different tact. Bad comparison! More like a preposterous argument. Mr Milwaukee, please answer the question. Can you see the difference. I for one would like to know.
 

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So, how do you explain the KKK clan?
Wait! Wait! I see the connection. They are also a group of ignorant individuals who use religious reference to justify and condone their criminal acts of violence which included murder and rape.

Oooh oohh! I have another one. Is the link the fact that they formed mobs to go persecute and kill innocent, helpless victims.

BTW - when last has the KKK been in the news. How are they even relevant to this discussion which has a "in this day and age" dynamic to it.

Seriously!
 

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Hey vrguy, do you think the systematic rape and abuse of native Canadians by religious and government institutions counts?
 

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Truly barbaric. That such brutality is carried out under the guise of a religion is even worse. However, Islamic countries are not the only place where women's human rights are not respected. There are lots of examples of barbaric customs to go around.

Eventually the family stood up to the village elder and the imam and protested the unjust punishment. However, it doesn't sound like they were initially very supportive. They beat her and trampled her.


There is a lot happening there. Not all of it is bad. It takes a long time to change attitudes in underdeveloped countries. Bangladesh deserves our support in bringing about those changes. Not so long ago, slavery was practiced in North America and it was common for the President of the US to own slaves. Here in Canada, we have a shameful history of genocide practiced against native people. I think we should avoid the trap of finger pointing and screaming "Them bad, us good." Human rights need to be protected more in all regions.
It wasn't her immediate family who beat and trampled her. It was the wife of the rapist who found her, and accused her of having an illicit affair with her husband. It was the rapist's wife who beat and trampled her.
 

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Hey vrguy, do you think the systematic rape and abuse of native Canadians by religious and government institutions counts?
Not sure where you going with this. There are parallels as far as systematic rape and abuse is concerned. But the incident with the girl and the plight of those who find themselves in similar situations is not on the same scale as decimating an entire civilization. These are two separate discussions. Also there is no race question or cultural divide. This is pure ignorance perpetuated by outdated religious beliefs that have been manipulated to serve evil men.
 

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Not sure where you going with this. There are parallels as far as systematic rape and abuse is concerned. But the incident with the girl and the plight of those who find themselves in similar situations is not on the same scale as decimating an entire civilization. These are two separate discussions. Also there is no race question or cultural divide. This is pure ignorance perpetuated by outdated religious beliefs that have been manipulated to serve evil men.
Well I guess I'd call what Canada did to natives "pure ignorance perpetuated by outdated religious beliefs that have been manipulated to serve evil men". I mean sure, if you take any two situations you can find differences, but that certainly is a similarity.
 

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Well I guess I'd call what Canada did to natives "pure ignorance perpetuated by outdated religious beliefs that have been manipulated to serve evil men". I mean sure, if you take any two situations you can find differences, but that certainly is a similarity.
OK. Fine. If it is so important to you to make that connection then fine. I still think that they are 2 different discussions. So what point are you making that Canadians have no right to judge because of their own shameful past. Not sure I agree. Sins of our fathers and all of that. Besides I'm a naturalized Canadian and a visible minority. I have no link to Canada beyond the 8 years that I've been living in the country.

Regardless whatever vile act any nation, creed or religion has committed in the past it does not mean that what they did to that girl is "not that bad once you put it in context" and it certainly does not mean that I don't have the right to condemn it. Even if I was a fifth generation 100% Canadian born and bread white boy.
 

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I agree with you that what they did to that girl is pretty bad (and that's an under-statement), especially when you put it in context. Further, I think that most people in Bangladesh, and certainly the Bangladeshi government, would agree with that as well.
 

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Wait! Wait! I see the connection. They are also a group of ignorant individuals who use religious reference to justify and condone their criminal acts of violence which included murder and rape.

Oooh oohh! I have another one. Is the link the fact that they formed mobs to go persecute and kill innocent, helpless victims.

BTW - when last has the KKK been in the news. How are they even relevant to this discussion which has a "in this day and age" dynamic to it.

Seriously!
My initial point was, that this story is not representative of the overall society and their beliefs or behaviour. It's an extreme case that makes the news, and rightfully so it should, but don't be fooled into believing that all Bangladesh people are for this insanity. My Dahmer reference was simply stating that to made news, but is not a fair assessment of the North American culture. James Kirk said he was just one guy, so I used the KKK to reference a "group" of people.
 

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you need to educate the people before you can stop the cycle
Why we can't educate our own Capt. Williams?

These type of things happen all over the world. We are more worried about a village girl where people are backward and we are less worried about our own women/girls raped and killed by our own educated people. An educated guy raped and killed Holly Jones in Toronto area....
These type of sick minds everywhere.
 

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What I want to know is how could her parents let this happen to her? Isn't it a parent's instinct to do everything possible to protect your child. If I were her father they would have had to kill me first. What is wrong with these people?
 

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What I want to know is how could her parents let this happen to her? Isn't it a parent's instinct to do everything possible to protect your child. If I were her father they would have had to kill me first. What is wrong with these people?
Have you ever actually faced a choice like that? Unless you have you don't really know what you would actually do.

Hopefully we can agree that no one should ever have to face such a choice, but it's easy to talk if you have never been in such a situation.

Food for thought - they have four other kids that would be destitute if they threw themselves suicidally to the mob.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/29/bangladesh.lashing.death/index.html?hpt=T2


Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN) -- Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl.

Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public.

religious rulling - good old religion again oh yeah why is it a good thing again?

fellow villagers - more like the village idiots
 
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