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14 Yr Old girl charged in Wilson station stabbing was out on bail on 2nd degree murder charge in swarming attack on homeless man

DesRicardo

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Yeah right. Guilt by association is neither a thing in America, nor anywhere else. For very good reasons.
I didn't say associated. I said affiliated.

And yes America has made all types of sweeping conspiracy laws to target suspected criminals.
 

SexB

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All kidding aside, those girls were harassing another homeless woman. Ken Lee intervened and probably saved her life.

He died a hero.

And threads like this always bring TERB's racists out in force.
 
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Butler1000

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This is one of those cases where carrying a weapon would have been justified and could have helped. But alas, there are too many other nut jobs who kill people out of the blue.

Yup, because the righties would have turned the world upside down and it would all be crimeless, prosperous utopia, while doing everything to reduce accessibility to mental health care. The tales righties tell themselves. 😂

Throwing the key away isn't going to help. At the very least rehabilitation should be attempted. She is 14.

Yeah right. Guilt by association is neither a thing in America, nor anywhere else. For very good reasons.

I agree there is a possible mental health issue. But if there is a mental health issue, she should be diagnosed, treated and rehabilitated. Why should she be executed? The Nazis executed mentally ill people. Are we Nazis? How would you know she cannot be helped in any way before it is even tried?
Mental illness also includes Sociopathy which in incurable.

I agree diagnosing her is key. But after that the Youth Offenders Act needs to include a provision to lock away these types. And also to try some cases as adults.

And in any case voilent offenses like MURDERING a homeless man in cold blood, bail should not be an option. This doesn't happen if she was in lockdown.
 

Hipjdog

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It's so rare to see violence from girls like this, in particular the swarming attack. Pretty much unprecedented. Their home life must
be awful to produce girls who would do this. Keep them away from society for an extended period.
 

DesRicardo

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It's so rare to see violence from girls like this, in particular the swarming attack. Pretty much unprecedented. Their home life must
be awful to produce girls who would do this. Keep them away from society for an extended period.
These younger generation girls are different. Things like this are more common now.

Just like with car jacking/auto theft, you would never think the youth would be doing that, even 10 years back.
 
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Butler1000

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Mental disorders or illnesses are never curable. They are only treatable and manageable. As long as it is diagnosed and the disorder is treated and managed, it should be okay. I agree, though, that before being diagnosed and treated, bail should not be given, to prevent self harm, or harm to others. At the very least they should be in a facility under close supervision of healthcare professionals, until a suitable course of treatment is identified.
What I meant was being a sociopath goes beyond most mental illness. Its a wirings crossed in the brain that results in no empathy for others. And is imo the major cause of most problems in the world. Happens in about 1% of the population. And how to you give someone empathy?

If you get a chance pick up a book called The Psycopathy Test by Jon Ronson. A real eye opener and funny as well.
 

james t kirk

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You make a great assumption that she has parents. More likely a single parent household with little to no supervision.
No doubt now this girl needs to be locked up until her trial for the 2022 stabbing.
While I agree with you about locking her up, let's be honest, that will never happen and when they do go to trial, if they go (which I doubt), nothing will happen to her of any consequence.

Nope, this one will be allowed to continue without a shred of morality just as she ever did.

But I suspect that once she hits 18 or 19, she will commit another crime, perhaps murder even and she will receive a couple of years in jail at most because this is how the Canadian judicial system works in many cases.
 

NotADcotor

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I must have missed the post where someone brought up her race. Can you please point it out? Thanks.
The only mention of race I could find is this
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" Now, as Toronto Police hunt for an alleged accomplice to Thursday’s stabbing at a TTC station during rush-hour – a 21-year-old Black man, about 5-foot-11, who was wearing all black clothing "
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Everything else is generalized to bad home background and it says more about SexB and his attitudes and assumptions than anyone else.
Even the above, looks like a cut and paste, and there is no judgement there, it's just true, it's no more racist to give his race, then sexist to give his gender, highest to give his height or whatever the fuck could be seen as wrong as identifying his clothing, double plus so as they are hunting for the guy. Even if you insist, seems that isn't a terb thing it would be a police thing.
Also any comments about a broken home, we don't know the race of the female and you don't just go around killing people with a crew unless something is fucked up in your background, unless you are one of those fucking Elbonians... those people are messed up.

Also I called it with my response to the person who @SexB who posted that meme about "Everything I don't like is Woke" and I said it hasn't quite gotten to the level of people labeling everything they don't like as racist, communist, facist, incel etc but it's getting there. He literally later in the thread proves me right by calling people out as racist even though unless I missed something there wasn't any actual racism here.



And before some special needs Woketard on a hunt to label someone as racist even though they can't see their own racism, Elbonians don't fucking exist. The are fictional, like New Zealand and Russian military competence.
 

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I knew the "homeless" man they murdered.
Ken was living at one of the homeless shelters I worked at during the pandemic.
He was a very nice guy and one of the very few who wasn't using drugs.
I spoke to him every night for months before he would go to bed as I worked the night shift.

There shouldn't be bail on murder charges.
 

Not getting younger

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Few things.

-luckily this occurred on street level, wounds don’t appear to be life threatening. Responders were nearby. And it didn’t occur between stations.

-despite some partisan bs, fact is bail reforms have been promised finally. After 20 years of bickering about stuff. Coulda shoulda….

-suspect described as….ABC. What got my attention is they know his age………funny that. He ran and got away….Maybe he has priors

-We will never know her name or background. she’s a young offender. Nor her life story. For all anyone knows she’s from small town Ontario and not far from the Jungle with a 21 year male

-what to do what to what do. Sure we could and should try to find $5 billion for some mental health facilities. Adds that to a 400billion long laundry list of things.
 

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" Now, as Toronto Police hunt for an alleged accomplice to Thursday’s stabbing at a TTC station during rush-hour – a 21-year-old Black man, about 5-foot-11, who was wearing all black clothing "

She had an adult mentor helping her find success in society and she still went off the rails ???
I see this happen alot. sad, and can't really be stopped.
 

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I sincerely hope she gets the help she clearly needs. “Locking her up” is only going to make things worse, especially at this pivotal stage in her life. She needs rehabilitation, not imprisonment. 😞
The issue with rehabilitation is that she has to be willing to do the work as well full stop. She can do things half-assed or try and hold on to the thug-life/street cred idea.
 

DesRicardo

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I sincerely hope she gets the help she clearly needs. “Locking her up” is only going to make things worse, especially at this pivotal stage in her life. She needs rehabilitation, not imprisonment. 😞
I'm curious, What about this guy too? Do you hope he just gets the rehabilitation and help he needs, not imprisonment?

This could have been you or any other woman on this site.

Some people are just not redeemable and shouldn't be.
 
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squeezer

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This will sound like a rightie thing to say but I do believe some folks should get a bullet between the eyes and be put down just like a bad dog.
 
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