Try aiming.
And unless you're at very close range, reacquiring aim after the first shot will be a challenge as the animal runs away. Getting a second aimed shot as the deer bolts through the woods gets into the reckless area.
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And unless you're at very close range, reacquiring aim after the first shot will be a challenge as the animal runs away. Getting a second aimed shot as the deer bolts through the woods gets into the reckless area.
So semis are need for competition to show off how well you can shoot a target? That's an even worse justification for their utility to society. It's a worse argument than the one in a past thread where it was argued that people hired to depopulate feral pigs may need to get many shots off before they run away.
I have no problem with hobbies but when that hobby creates a risk to society, the government should step in do a cost/benefit analysis and if the only argument for a semi is that people may miss their first shot, it doesn't hold up very well.
You seriously think anyone is going to listen to anything you say? You don't even know how use a rifle or properly aim. You're a keyboard critic. You give advice to airline pilots on how to land too?
You don't know anything about shooting, hunting or firearms, so don't give out advice.
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Got news for you. Several semi autos are still legal. Also more news for you. Several provincial governments aren't willing to do anything about the last firearms prohibition because the benefit isn't there.
You get it wrong every time you post. Every time.
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How do you know this? Did you take a poll?While there are cops who got in the profession for the wrong reasons - the majority are serious about making a difference in their community. When gunfire erupts, I run away from it. So paying a fair salary to the guys willing to run towards trouble isn't a problem for me.
If you gave me $500K, I might take the job with the following caveats:
1 I only answer noise complaints
2 i get to chose my outfit ...
What is the typical distance that a hunter shoots from?
What do prey animals do after they hear a loud sound or get wounded?
How long does it take to reacquire air after taking a shot on a moving target?
Sorry but any hunter who is going to put numerous rounds downrange at a moving target has to either be a elite level sniper or they are just creating a risk to anyone/thing out there. After a miss, actual hunters will wait until the prey stops moving for another shot. If hunters wound an animal, they then track it down to put it out of their misery.
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What do prey animals do after they hear a loud sound or get wounded?
How long does it take to reacquire air after taking a shot on a moving target?
Sorry but any hunter who is going to put numerous rounds downrange at a moving target has to either be a elite level sniper or they are just creating a risk to anyone/thing out there. After a miss, actual hunters will wait until the prey stops moving for another shot. If hunters wound an animal, they then track it down to put it out of their misery.
Hunting
Not hunting
Sorry but where did I say that semis ARE illegal in Canada? I said they aren't useful enough to justify being legal.
All your criticism and you still refuse to explain why a hunter would benefit from using a semi-auto rifle. Either you don't have an answer or you want us "keyboard warriors" to remain ignorant.
I've got an answer and have answered before. I've also told you to go out and learn instead of being a keyboard warrior.
I've spoon fed you enough. I'm pretty sure it's obvious I know what I'm talking about from real world experience and you don't.
Still don't know what you're talking about. Of course posting a picture of Ernest Borgnine shooting off a M60 machine gun isn't hunting. IT'S A MOVIE SCENE FROM CONVOY! You don't even know what a semi auto looks like as you've posted a photo of a fully automatic general purpose machine gun!
As well, you don't know what it takes to be an elite level sniper. Shooting is a small component of their mission and most PRS competitors shoot better than snipers, just like most IPSC competitors are better shots than police. I was unlucky enough to have a sadistic master sniper Warrant Officer as an instructor once when going through phase training, so have a much better idea than you what it took for him to be a master sniper. I would not have been able to pass the Master Sniper course even if by some miracle they would have considered me, and you definitely wouldn't have been able to, even though you think all you need to do to shoot a target is to properly aim. Since you have never pushed yourself, I don't think you could even pass Basic.
Quit posting on items you know nothing about and instead of asking generic questions that can't be answered because of how large and diverse hunting areas are in North America and the number of prey animals out there and the type of firearms being used. Those "hunters" you allegedly know and hang out with should be able to answer questions specific to your area.
Go out and do. Unlike being a keyboard warrior, it costs money, so you'll have to go out and get a job first.
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So...your "proof" is someone missing with a bolt action rifle and a picture, from a movie with an actor holding a machine gun?
Let me try:
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Re: ' While there are cops who got in the profession for the wrong reasons - the majority are serious about making a difference in their community. '
One of my previous lives I was doing special communications work in Toronto, Peel and Halton police communications centres and got to know a lot of cops. I'll stand by my statement.
Really ? Why are you doubting the statement ? A bad experience with a speeding ticket ?
One of my previous lives I was doing special communications work in Toronto, Peel and Halton police communications centres and got to know a lot of cops. I'll stand by my statement.
By which you mean you weren't able to answer but still want to pretend.
I've fired rifles a few times but someone doesn't need to be an expert sniper to understand that a semi-auto rifle doesn't provide any tangible benefit to a hunter.
Great history. Now, have you ever fired at a running animal, a second or two after missing with your first shot? Do you think your warrant officer takes risky, hurriedly aimed shots at a moving deer or would he take a carefully aimed single shot on a stationary target?
And no shit, that's a M60 but that seems to be the type of hunting you're advocating.
Do you want to explain why a semi-auto rifle is required to hunt under Canadian laws or are you simply worried about your 'gun grabbers'?So...your "proof" is someone missing with a bolt action rifle and a picture, from a movie with an actor holding a machine gun?
Let me try:
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p.s. You guys must be so sad.
When did I ever say semi-auto was required for hunting? Can you cite a reference, or will you just post another irrelevant video or photo?
In case you didn't already know, some people still hunt with bows and arrows.
What I am saying, is that you have not proven how semi-automatic actions are detrimental. If they were, why are semi-autos issued to law enforcement; to compensate for their poor marksmanship? I think you may be onto something with that one.
As for the handgun freeze; it a) illustrates that the "gun grabbing" agenda is real, which you can no longer deny and b) will be as effective at reducing gun violence as prostitution laws in this country reduce human trafficking.
Now I've confirmed you don't know how to aim because if you did, you would know about lead distance and you'd know about special purpose reticles. Yet again, you're an expert at handing out shooting advice on something you know nothing about and believe the only proper way to hit a target is if it is stationary because of how ignorant you are. Hunters shoot at moving targets, especially if like myself, they hunt destructive varmints that farmers want gone.
You didn't know it's an M60, and if you knew anything about hunting, you'd know you can't hunt with or even own a fully automatic rifle in Canada.
That Warrant Officer was a Master Sniper and you're an idiot if you think he and the few others with his qualifications didn't shoot at moving targets. Of course he took risky shots. There was this war called Afghanistan Canadians were involved in where Canadians held long distance records for a while. If you think they did their jobs firing only one round at a stationary target, it shows you're naive. The targets moved, and they weren't deer. You don't know anything about shooting. You don't know what snipers do, and believe the myth of one shot, one kill because you've never shot at anything other than a stationary target, if you've even done that.
Military Snipers miss frequently on the first shot, but being the armchair athlete you are, you probably think if you were in the same situation, you'd be able to range the target, adjust for the environmental conditions, wind, movement of the target and variation in the ammunition, dial the correct elevation after 3 days with no sleep and make the hit every time on the first shot, unlike these elite soldiers who've completed a NATO wide course where only 3 out of 30 usually pass. Hell, you probably don't even need help from your spotter because you know exactly what to do.
The REAL world is different from your imaginary world where mistakes never happen because it's all theoretical and you're perfect and everyone else should be too.
Every time you post, you show your ignorance. Every time.
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Critics denounce use of military-grade rifles by province in B.C. wolf cull | Globalnews.ca
In a statement to Global News, the B.C. Conservation Officer Service said it has used patrol rifles for more than two years following a successful pilot project.
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Conservation Officers are culling wolves in BC with assault...er..."patrol" rifles.
Rules for thee, not for me.
That's what this discussion is about. My stance is quite clearly that semi-auto rifles don't provide any added utility as a tool so sorry for assuming your complaints about my statements had me assuming you were arguing otherwise.
The whole thread started reporting on a guy using an SKS, a soviet military design, to gun down cops. Him having a bolt action would have given the cops a little more of a chance to survive.
What a surprise. You didn't answer my questions. Go ask your Warrant. He will tell you it is stupid to shoot at a moving animal after missing your first shot without taking the time needed to reacquire aim. In that circumstance, the ability to fire again in a second with a semi-auto is no advantage. Hunters tend not to be firing with military grade rifles over 2K+ distances so if they miss their first shot on a stationary target at 100 m, the chance of hitting the target as the animal flees is far less (it would take easily as much time to adjust your sites for windage as it would to charge the bolt).
Again, a semi-auto does not provide any benefit but does create more risk. All you're doing with the military talk is confirming my opinion that you're more concerned about having macho guns than effectively using a tool for hunting.
