2006 NHL entry draft

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for the first time there are more Americans represented in the top rankings of the entry draft than any other country... including canada:eek:

USA 1 - Erik Johnson D
CAN 2 - Jordan Staal C
USA 3 - Phil Kessel C
SWE 4 - Nicklas Backstrom C
CAN 5 - Jonathan Toews C
USA 6 - Peter Mueller C
USA 7 - Kyle Okposo RW
CAN 8 - Derick Brassard C
CAN 9 - James Sheppard C
USA 10 - Nigel Williams D
CZE 11 - Michael Frolik RW
USA 12 - Bob Sanguinetti

after these top players, the quality of the draft pool dramatically drops off...
 

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21pro said:
for the first time there are more Americans represented in the top rankings of the entry draft than any other country... including canada:eek:

USA 1 - Erik Johnson D
CAN 2 - Jordan Staal C
USA 3 - Phil Kessel C
SWE 4 - Nicklas Backstrom C
CAN 5 - Jonathan Toews C
USA 6 - Peter Mueller C
USA 7 - Kyle Okposo RW
CAN 8 - Derick Brassard C
CAN 9 - James Sheppard C
USA 10 - Nigel Williams D
CZE 11 - Michael Frolik RW
USA 12 - Bob Sanguinetti

after these top players, the quality of the draft pool dramatically drops off...
Who do you think Pittsburgh will pick if they get the #1 pick again?
 

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Erik Johnston has already visited Pittsburgh numerous times this season according to nhl.com, but that doesn't guarantee who gets 1st pick yet... and who they'll choose.

Craig Patrick says they aren't picking by position... just best available...
 

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had ziggy and lemieux been injury free and leclair, gonchar and recchi played like they have been as of late... and not to mention if the goalies had some confidence for the first 50 games, things would've been different... probably even playoff birth potential ... as it stands, they are only 18 wins away from 8th spot... sure its a 100 miles, but they had 25-1 goal losses this season (nhl's highest) and made overtime 18 times this season...

kinda makes playoff potential seem realistic in those terms...

right now, Fleury and Caron are both playing pretty strong and Gonchar is 2nd in leading all defencemen in scoring since the Olympic break! (talk about a turnaround!) 2nd to Lidstrom 22pts./ Gonchar 17pts....

my bet is still they will be better in 06-07 and i don't much care if they draft a fwd or d'man in the 1st round... if they go for the best overall player they have that much better of a hand to deal later if need be...


does anyone have a clue as to how the draft lottery is to be played this season? there was a meeting during the olympic break to discuss the rules for this, but because of the lack of a Crosby type star going 1st overall, there seemed to be no media attention put to it and i don't know how the draft order is settled this season... all i heard was that there was to be a lottery but not as strict as the last one...whatever that means!?
 

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Interesting to see how Kessel dropped from 1 to 3. I remember after the WJC's in North Dakota everyone was saying he could be better than Crosby.
 

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i think he possibly failed to elevate his game like the other 3 prospects did. for one thing, he stopped growing and toews and johnson didn't...

tsn.com said:
The speedster from Madison, Wisconsin was nothing short of electrifying at the 2005 World Junior Championship in Grand Forks and he followed that up with a sublime display of speed and skill at last April's Under-18 World Championship.

But since then, other prospects have been chipping away at Kessel's frontrunner tag.

In early December, some NHL scouts suggested Winnipegger Jonathan Toews of the University of North Dakota could go ahead of Kessel, and by the time 2006 World Junior tourney in Vancouver was over, big American defenceman Erik Johnson had emerged as the consensus No. 1 choice, ahead of both Kessel and Toews.

But in the latest rankings of the International Scouting Service, an independent organization that evaluates draft-eligible talent on a monthly basis, Kessel finds himself at No. 4 overall, behind No. 1 Johnson, Toews at second and Peterborough Petes forward Jordan Staal at No. 3.

A year ago, Kessel at No. 4 would have been unthinkable.
Now?

Well, it's a possibility.

In a small survey of five NHL scouts by TSN, only one of the five had Kessel rated as low as No. 4.

One scout maintained Kessel remains, for him, as the top prospect available in this year's draft class. Another scout said Kessel is no worse than No. 2 behind Johnson.

Two others said he's No. 3, behind both Johnson and Toews and the fifth had it the same as ISS, with Johnson, Toews and Staal ahead of Kessel.

All the scouts surveyed by TSN agreed the top four players, order of selection aside, are quite likely to be the top four players taken, but even that's not carved in stone.

Young American Kyle Okposo and Quebec junior Derrick Brassard are getting long, hard looks from teams likely to be picking in the top five.

NHL central scouting is having its evaluation meetings this week, so it will be interesting to see where it slots Kessel.

It would be fair to say Kessel still has a shot at being the first pick overall, but even if that were to happen, it would not be fair to label this as the Phil Kessel draft.
 

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BTW the article was from a few months ago... Feb. i think...
 

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I thought the lottery was only done as a one time thing because of the locked out season and that it was unfair to use results from 2 years ago to determine rankings. :confused:
I believe the lottery will be weighted again like the NBA's lottery with the worst team having the best chance to get the #1 pick. Last year was different since everyone got a ball in the lottery. This time it will only be the non-playoff teams.

I agree that there is no clear cut #1 pick this year. With that, what about the chances of dealing the pick. Would Minnesota have interest in bringing in Kessel for marketing purposes? Maybe an Ottawa would try and swing a sign and trade for one of there to FA D-men in Redden or Chara?
 

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sounds like something i heard, but can anyone confirm this? there really isn't the media attention paid to hockey in canada this time of year as compared to years past... this is fucked up. could it be because canada's two largest hockey markets aren't in playoff positioning? (toronto #1 and vancouver #2)?
 

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21pro said:
for the first time there are more Americans represented in the top rankings of the entry draft than any other country... including canada:eek:

USA 1 - Erik Johnson D
CAN 2 - Jordan Staal C
USA 3 - Phil Kessel C
SWE 4 - Nicklas Backstrom C
CAN 5 - Jonathan Toews C
USA 6 - Peter Mueller C
USA 7 - Kyle Okposo RW
CAN 8 - Derick Brassard C
CAN 9 - James Sheppard C
USA 10 - Nigel Williams D
CZE 11 - Michael Frolik RW
USA 12 - Bob Sanguinetti

after these top players, the quality of the draft pool dramatically drops off...
Sucks for the Leafs; not good enough for the playoffs, not bad enough for a high draft pick.

Interesting to see how Kessel dropped from 1 to 3. I remember after the WJC's in North Dakota everyone was saying he could be better than Crosby.
Tough to say what to do in that situation. Guys like Yzerman and Ricci were rated #1 at the start of their final junior years then slipped to #3 or 4 by draft time, yet had better careers than the ones who passed them. Then again, you had guys like David Cooper and Lindsay Vallis who`s stock dropped in their draft year and their careers never recovered.
 

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ottawasub said:
Guys like Yzerman and Ricci were rated #1 at the start of their final junior years then slipped to #3 or 4 by draft time, yet had better careers than the ones who passed them.
how would you judge better careers? (certainly injuries can throw statistics and aren't accounted for before they occur)

Ricci drafted #4 in 1990... has 603 pts. in 1088 games played or only .55 points per game

Owen Nolan, drafted #1 in 1990 ...735 pts. in 915 games played or .8 points per game

Petr Nedved, drafted 2nd... 702 pts. in 937 games or .75 PPG

or Keith Primeau drafted 3rd has 619pts in 909 or .68 ppg

all 3 have performed better, though only slightly better than Mike Ricci.

as for top picks, it's really sometimes difficult to predict how these young players are going to pan out...

look at Daniel Alfredsson... 133rd overall pick (6th round) and plays better than about 127 of those chosen before him...
 

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how would you judge better careers? (certainly injuries can throw statistics and aren't accounted for before they occur)

Ricci drafted #4 in 1990... has 603 pts. in 1088 games played or only .55 points per game

Owen Nolan, drafted #1 in 1990 ...735 pts. in 915 games played or .8 points per game

Petr Nedved, drafted 2nd... 702 pts. in 937 games or .75 PPG

or Keith Primeau drafted 3rd has 619pts in 909 or .68 ppg

all 3 have performed better, though only slightly better than Mike Ricci.

Points don`t tell the whole story. Ricci the best of the four defensively and as the GP show is more durable. I`ve always felt Nolan was vastly overrated, and Nedved loses points for his defensive laziness. I`ll give you that Primeau`s been slightly better than Ricci though.
 

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ottawasub said:
Points don`t tell the whole story. Ricci the best of the four defensively and as the GP show is more durable. I`ve always felt Nolan was vastly overrated, and Nedved loses points for his defensive laziness. I`ll give you that Primeau`s been slightly better than Ricci though.
Lets not forget who went fifth that year........Jaromir Jagr. Imagine if the Red Wings took Jagr? Jagr, Fedorov and Yzerman. How romantic would that have been?
 

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no doubt the red wings have had the best scouting ability of any team out there from 1980 to present.
 

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I pick 2nd, 3rd, 9th, 12th and 13th in the pool for next season.

Hot for Staal and Johnson

Warm for Kessel and Toews

Any suggestions?
 

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Detroit has done very well with late round picks. Their first rounders haven't done that well, and they have traded away many of them.

Keep an eye on Brian Little from the Barrie Colts, Hockey news rated him #7 at Christmas. He'll be a good one.
 

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NHL Draft drawing to be conducted April 20

The National Hockey League Draft Drawing, a weighted lottery system to determine the order of selection for the first 14 picks of the 2006 Entry Draft, will take place Thursday, April 20, at 12 p.m., ET, at the NHL's New York office.

The club selected in the Draft Drawing may not move up more than four positions in the draft order. Thus the only clubs with the opportunity to receive the first overall selection are the five clubs with the lowest regular-season point totals (or clubs that acquired those clubs first-round drafting positions). No club can move down more than one position as a result of the Draft Drawing.

30th 25.0%
29th 18.8%
28th 14.2%
27th 10.7%
26th 8.1%
25th 6.2%
24th 4.7%
23rd 3.6%
22nd 2.7%
21st 2.1%
20th 1.5%
19th 1.1%
18th 0.8%
17th 0.5%


Results of Previous Draft Drawings

Year Selected Effect On Draft Order Player Selected

1995 Los Angeles Moved from 7th to 3rd D Aki Berg
1996 Ottawa Retained 1st selection D Chris Phillips
1997 Boston Retained 1st selection C Joe Thornton
1998 Tampa Bay Moved from 3rd to 1st via trades C Vincent Lecavalier
1999 Chicago Moved from 8th to 4th RW Pavel Brendl *
2000 NY Islanders Moved from 5th to 1st G Rick DiPietro
2001 Atlanta Moved from 3rd to 1st LW Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 Florida Moved from 3rd to 1st LW Rick Nash **
2003 Florida Moved from 4th to 1st G Marc-Andre Fleury ***
2004 Washington Moved from 3rd to 1st LW Alexander Ovechkin
2005 Pittsburgh n/a C Sidney Crosby

* NY Rangers obtained Chicago's pick in a trade (via Vancouver and Tampa Bay). The Rangers selected RW Pavel Brendl fourth overall.

** Columbus obtained Florida's pick in a trade. The Blue Jackets selected LW Rick Nash first overall.

*** Pittsburgh obtained Florida's pick in a trade. The Penguins selected G Marc-Andre Fleury first overall.
 

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the rusty tromb said:
New Jersey has.
that can be doubted depending on what statistics you use. i used a, perhaps flawed, but simple way to rate the teams... over the last 25 seasons of draft picks, players drafted by Detroit have amassed the highest overall combined salaries and most games played in the NHL.

perhaps flawed in one way as new jersey did very well at keeping salaries from running out of control... in another way, because it doesn't include enough stats for basis of comparison... i'll admit, i tried to come to the quickest decision.

however, to add to that combined points, a ranking of +/-, awards won, shots, giveaways, etc...it would be enough to stumble any spreadsheet programmer!!! (but, i guess you could determine who drafted better... lol)
 
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