208 OLGC employees make over 100k

[oldjones]

Let me be clear. If someone makes 100k through hard work, talent, creativity etc, I have the utmost respect for them.

If someone makes 100k through sucking dick or being a lazy ass, they can fuck off. I think it's more disgust than sour grapes.

There's usually a thread a month about dancers, MPAs or SPs 'easily' making $100K sucking dick or being a lazy (but very attractive ass). And even though it's the central activity of this board, envious posters complain.

You didn't really mean what you said about dick-sucking now, did you? You were just using a metaphor clumsily.

What it comes down to on TERB or anywhere: what you make is your business, no one else's; what anyone else makes is their business and none of yours.

 

[doggee_01]

does this include their lottery winnings??

 

[opieshuffle]

Let me see if I get this straight...

If I could have it my way, these ppl would be paid the least and ppl working manual labour paid the most. our society would be better off and produce productive citizens that way... You get paid for what you deliver. Not get paid for b.s that can't be accounted for.

I got to school for 4 years and earn my degree in a "creative field". I work my way through various studios and agencies, learning more and more from people with more experience as I go along. I get to a point where I start my own company. I deal with clients and customers and it's now my job to help customers, through my creative skill set, improve their business image, or help them creatively sell a widget. And in some cases I'm hired by the Public sector (ie gov't) because of my YEARS of EXPERIENCE, and great recommendations from others, with an initiative of some sort. But I don't deserve to make more money than a person who does manual labour because you can see the direct result of their efforts but mine aren't as clear? By your standards there wouldn't be a single invention because you need thinkers and "dreamers" to take a chance on ideas...and if that was the case, your labourer wouldn't have a JOB because what would they DO?!?!!

 

[nervous]

Simple fact- Canadian Government workers make more, with less skills, for doing doing less, with near zero accountability.

This is often the result of weak governments that are afraid to stand up to the unions. Case in point. Ontario teachers getting the 10-12% pay raise over the next three years. That was the government's version of 'cost control'.

And since government workers work for the citizens, we have the right to demand they get paid reasonable salaries. Remember that these salaries don't include the very generous benefits and pension plans.

 

[Brotherman]

Diplomas are not "qualifications"; abilities, personalities and skills are.

I hate to break it to you, but diplomas, bachelor degrees are qualifications. In fact they are a pre-requisite for any high skilled IT job, and even more so, a pre-requisite to get approved for work visa in the United States and even permanent residencey. Without it, you'll have a difficult time trying to work there!

And yes, even some government jobs you apply to here, they do check to see if you have a degree or not.

 

[C Dick]

Who the hell are you to say how much another man should earn? You're not his boss. You're not his co-worker...

That is why public sector wages get published and private sector don't, because we are paying the public sector worker! If someone in the private sector gets paid too much, that is the companies fault for doing so. Unless the government forced them to (e.g. unions, but that is another discussion). But everyone is entitled to be unhappy about overpaid public sector workers, because we are paying them. It is a national disgrace how many government workers get overpaid, but it is a complex problem, you can't just blame the workers, the whole system is pretty corrupt.

 

[james t kirk]

Heard this on the news today. Why the fuck do they need so many highly paid people?

I know a guy who used to be garbage collector and didn't even finish high school. But he's good at relationship building. 15 years later he's some kind of senior IT manager at some government agency making well over 100k. I reckon most managerial public sector people are like him - horrendously under qualified, over paid, and only there because they knew the right people.

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Why do you care?

You should concentrate on improving your own lot in life.

You don't know what they are doing, or what their qualificatons are.

 

[james t kirk]

Who the hell are you to say how much another man should earn? You're not his boss. You're not his co-worker. You haven't seen their resume or performance report. So who are you to say how much someone should earn? Afaik you're just another guy who doesn't make $100,000. Now who's fault is that?

Beat me to it.

Besides, 100k is a decent salary, but hardly getting rich.

 

[james t kirk]

Fine, but we're not paying their salaries. What happens when everybody works for the government?

So tell me, if a person is well educated, has a demanding job, and is in charge of a pile of people (say they are a lawyer, or accountant, or an Engineer, etc. etc. etc.) but they work for the gov't do you feel that they should be making 40 k a year?

 

[james t kirk]

oh... my blood just starts boiling when I hear one of them yap! these sob's good for nothing

If I could have it my way, these ppl would be paid the least and ppl working manual labour paid the most. our society would be better off and produce productive citizens that way... You get paid for what you deliver. Not get paid for b.s that can't be accounted for.

Move to Cuba or China.

That's how it works there.

 

[svtcobra]

So what you're saying is, despite potentially having 15 years experience, because he didn't finish high school he shouldn't be allowed to make more than $100K?

Sounds like some awfully sour grapes...

My response would be, what have YOU done with YOUR life?

Make me laugh at the original poster comment.

Now after 15yrs experience in the IT biz, does he really know how to do the job real well or does he pounce on other people to do the work. In my line of work and when I go to see some of my clients. To be honest allot of them have x amount of years under their belt, but they don't have an f--ing clue what they are talking about. I usually have to pull the IT guys aside that really do the work to confirm what they really need.

I know I may sound like a prick, and I'm sure there are guys out their which are way above me in the Technology knowledge. Hey some people are not worth what they get paid these days, especially in IT.

 

[Keebler Elf]

A lot of the young kids coming out of school think that parchment diploma ENTITLES them to make $100,000 to STARTt!!!!!! They don't WANT to work their way up the ladder, or work towards something It's a ME ME ME world now.

As someone who came out of school not too long ago, I can tell you that this is NOT the case and that you have the typical old fart mindset that just labels everyone not of your generation as lazy.

I don't know anyone coming out of a post-graduate program who was expecting $100K. Maybe a doctor but even then I doubt it. Everyone knew and expected they would have to put their time in.

What my generation will NOT put up with is the ass sucking to get up the corporate ladder. Sorry, maybe you were willing to toil and suck ass for 10-15 years to become a manager. No thanks, my generation will simply jump ship to another organization that will offer better promotional and development opportunities. And with the ever shrinking labour market, we can.

 

[svtcobra]

As someone who came out of school not too long ago, I can tell you that this is NOT the case and that you have the typical old fart mindset that just labels everyone not of your generation as lazy.

I don't know anyone coming out of a post-graduate program who was expecting $100K. Maybe a doctor but even then I doubt it. Everyone knew and expected they would have to put their time in.

What my generation will NOT put up with is the ass sucking to get up the corporate ladder. Sorry, maybe you were willing to toil and suck ass for 10-15 years to become a manager. No thanks, my generation will simply jump ship to another organization that will offer better promotional and development opportunities. And with the ever shrinking labour market, we can.

I with you with your last comment Keebler. I too am the same, although I'm 30's I've seen this and friends also has commented on this aswell. For me you will not gain respect from me. The respect is earned in a proper way of working up the corporate ladder, not ass kissing or other ways to make it to the top.

 

[OddSox]

So tell me, if a person is well educated, has a demanding job, and is in charge of a pile of people (say they are a lawyer, or accountant, or an Engineer, etc. etc. etc.) but they work for the gov't do you feel that they should be making 40 k a year?

40k a year? That's what government typists get paid! Plus benefits and pension plan...

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=1453882

"Nearly one in five working Canadians is now employed directly by one of the three levels of government, or by schools, universities and colleges, hospitals, social service agencies, Crown corporations and so on."

 

[needinit]

You should have a look at the list of people at Hydro One in the listing:

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/publications/salarydisclosure/2008/electric08.html

In this case, however, at least it is a mix of job roles, including Line Maintainers and Helicopter Pilots. Don't know how many employees in total, but it is a long list!