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4% Property Tax Hike

hatztowork

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Rockslinger said:
Even though I am currently "between projects" I am more than happy to pay a 4% or 10% or even 100% tax hike as long as it ensures our beloved municipal employess continue to enjoy 100% job security, make at least 5 times minimum wage, 30 vacation days, 20 sick days and a gold plated pension when they retire at age 45.
Nice...we all can thank that fcker Miller!! No fiscal responsbility and all the losers out there who voted him can kiss my arse as well!!
 

Rockslinger

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Rockslinger said:
Doug Holyday said that the City's payroll has increased by 67,000 heads since amalgamation.
Clarification: Doug Holyday said that City's payroll has increased by 7,000 since amalgamation and budget has gone from $5Billion to almost $9Billion.

Query: Are you getting better services now because of the extra 7,000 City employees and additional $5Billion cost?
 

JohnLarue

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Rockslinger said:
Clarification: Doug Holyday said that City's payroll has increased by 7,000 since amalgamation and budget has gone from $5Billion to almost $9Billion.

Query: Are you getting better services now because of the extra 7,000 City employees and additional $5Billion cost?
You may wish to take into account the population increase since amalgamation (if there is an increase, I do not know)
If the population has increased then the # of people required to provide the services may need to increase.
Also did the original budget amount of $5B include the municipalities added in the amalgamation?
If it did then there is something wrong with a $4B increase
 

Rockslinger

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JohnLarue said:
You may wish to take into account the population increase since amalgamation
Someone can correct me but I think any meaningful population increase would be in York, Peel and Durham regions.
 

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Toronto residential property taxes are still low compared to the rest of the GTA.
They are lower than what I have to pay and for a house worth considerable less.
 

oldjones

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train said:
No one had the foresight to predict Torontonians electing Miller
Not sure why you think predictive skills are relevant, but lots of people could see his opponents were losing ground daily. If they had any to lose: Jakobek? Tory? And the second term 'field' barely deserved the name.
 

oldjones

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train said:
I have to laugh at the people that think the only unions are the Police and Firemen. The obviously haven't seen the 10 man road crew complete with backhoe sweating over a 12 inch pothole.

The waste at City Hall because it's controlled by the unions is legendary. So yes it's an excellent place to start. I think the citizens wouldn't feel so angry if they thought they were getting value for their money.
The biggest budget item is Police. Imagining that cutting some ten man road crews can pay for that as well as keep the roads in good shape would do better at a Yuk Yuks open mike than in watercooler chat, let alone the Forum.

In what imaginary Golden Age did taxpayers ever think they were getting good value?
 

buckwheat1

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SERVICES!!! I can say the last few summers the weeds are 2 foot high becuase people didn't want the weeds sprayed on city property, they have cut back on cutting the grass too. What do people want the city to cut
as for the donuts everyone is entitled to a coffee break lol!!! oh ya one can read a paper on break as well as drink a coffee.
 

Rockslinger

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buckwheat1 said:
me too but you wouldn't have any services.
Not having any services is government employee talk. Here in the private sector we provide the same or more services by working HARDER. Government workers should also try working HARDER. Those who can, work in the private sector. Those who can't, work for the government (sad but true).
 

oldjones

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And if you're right, those in the private sector make more. Everyone would be clamouring at the city Hall hiring office if the opposite were true. At least that;s what the economists tell us.
 

buckwheat1

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ROCKSLINGER: Harder lol!! you 'd pay less wages so that a guy like you can make more, I believe it's called the Walmart theory, "screw the employee".
Sorry I cannot believe in that theory.
 

james t kirk

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tboy said:
I could see toronto becoming like Phoenix the last time I was there. You have the central core that was all office buildings, then a no man's land of abandoned buildings, crappy garages, and run down industrial buildings etc then daily encroachment into the desert because it was cheaper to buy outside the city than in.

I could also see the city taxing residents SO much that they can no longer afford to live here and start walking away from their properties. I know when my taxes reach 50% of my mortgage the bank can have it because who would want to move here and pay through the nose and get reamed by the mayor's office?

If the city keeps this up they may find themselves with a lynch mob outside city hall.......
I dunno.

My house has a higher appraised value than my sister's house in Burlington, however, she pays 50% more taxes than me. Mnid you, her house is 4000 ft2 and mine is 1200.
 

oldjones

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The biggest, baddest thieves with the meanest gangs got to be kings. We let them—there were always more of us than them—because it kept them busy, and we could get them to take care of invading foreigners, keeping crime (other people's that is) down, feeding the poor, and making orderly market places. But we didn't have to like them, so we never have, in spite of dressing them up in new clothes like 'constitutional monarchy', or 'presidential system', or 'representative democracy'.

They're still just the same thieves their predecessors were, and all that's new is every year we get a different crop of critics shouting about how they've figured that out as if it was a special insight.

Be thankful it isn't worse, and if you can do better, don't tell us, get down there and do better.
 

buckwheat1

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as stated "RUN FOR OFFICE" you'll get all those great perks your talking about and I even hear FREE lunches too!!!.
 

Rockslinger

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buckwheat1 said:
as stated "RUN FOR OFFICE" you'll get all those great perks your talking about and I even hear FREE lunches too!!!.
I think the majority of people who run for ELECTED office earn every penny they make.

The rot is really the mass of government employees who are UNELECTED and we have no say in how long they stay in office or on the job or how much they are paid. These people are in monopoly jobs with strike power (the most powerful combination in a free society). History has shown that monopolies and power tends to corrupt.
 

oldjones

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Rockslinger said:
I think the majority of people who run for ELECTED office earn every penny they make.

The rot is really the mass of government employees who are UNELECTED and we have no say in how long they stay in office or on the job or how much they are paid. These people are in monopoly jobs with strike power (the most powerful combination in a free society). History has shown that monopolies and power tends to corrupt.
And I always thought "that rot began at the head" and "that shit ran downhill". So how much more would we have to pay the elected officials to actually manage their civil servants, instead of knuckling under to unions? Wouldn't that increase our tax bills?
 

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oldjones said:
And I always thought "that rot began at the head"
In this case, the real head are the unions that hold us and the elected officials hostage because they have monopoly jobs and strike power. Miller is in the pocket of the unions because they got him elected.
 
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