6 People shot, Possibly 2 dead

[playa]

Playa. You lost!

Is he a gay service provider???

 

[great bear]

Is he a gay service provider???

Only for you Big Boy!

 

[playa]

You assume much and understand even less.

Backburner, don't even try to understand this retard. You're spinning your wheels. He's a piece a trash that likes to trivialize this post and the factors involved in it. Don't delve into his propaganda bullshit.

 

[great bear]

gay what?

How come Playa get the offer at $1,000.00 per hour. You asked much more from Sheik and Goober.

 

[great bear]

Quit trivilizing this thread retard

I'm trying my hardest to be serious here. Then I run into deep intellects like Playa, and realize just how shallow I really am.

 

[souljax33]

Think of it this way. I'm walking north on Yonge St. Six young black males are walking on the same side of the street coming south towards me. Do I cross the road? No. Another scenario. I'm walking north on Yonge St. Six young black males are approaching me from the south and six young black males are walking behind me. Do I cross the road? Yes. Is this racist or just common sense?

Its the same rational I use for not attending Caribanna. Why intentionally put yourself in a potentially dangerous situation?

The facts are indisputable, young black males kill other young black males. Why? Is it cultural? What drives this small segment of our population to such horrendous actions? The only groups I can recall acting in a similar manner are the terrorists in Iraq, the drug cartels in Columbia, and the Tamil Tigers.

I was in Columbia when the drug cartels were going at it. They bombed and shot each other plus terrorized the general population. It was a political and economic agenda. Most times the drug cartels would beforehand phone in a warning to a local newspaper or radio station regarding the location of the bombs ect. The Iraq terrorists bomb and kill primarily for political reasons. Same as the Tamil Tigers.

What is the rational for young black men killing other young black men and in the process indiscriminately killing ordinary citizens minding their own business? Is there enough evidence to suggest that the majority of these young lads have lineage to Jamaica? Some of the news sources do seem to indicate this is the case.

I've been around too long and seen far too much and done too many things in my personal life to be generally in fear of walking down the street. But the truth is I'm extremely apprehensive when in the vicinity of young black males. Their approach to life is just to mercurial for me to comprehend it.

I agree with you, I also try to avoid them whenever I walk on the street, why put yourself at risk?

 

[la venganza]

What about the bikers in Montreal??

The facts are indisputable, young black males kill other young black males. Why? Is it cultural? What drives this small segment of our population to such horrendous actions? The only groups I can recall acting in a similar manner are the terrorists in Iraq, the drug cartels in Columbia, and the Tamil Tigers.

Not too long ago from 1994 –2001 There was a biker war in Montreal….

I found some interesting facts online through google. You can pull more information by typing in the words: ‘Biker war in Montreal’, ‘Rock Machine and Hells Angels war’ etc.. etc A lot of people where killed or injured and not all of them where the intended victims either….I don’t think any of them where “brothas” or “gangstas”….And some how, I doubt that they (bikers) listen to 50 cent (50 sucks IMHO, but that’s another thread) or Tupac!

Biker gang war in Montreal

“Since 1994, Boucher and the Hells Angels have waged a brutal war with a rival biker gang called the Rock Machine for control of Quebec's billion-dollar drug trade, according to investigators. Considering how little attention the story has attracted outside Canada, the toll is staggering: 162 dead (not including 118 attempted murders), scores wounded. The victims include an 11-year-old boy killed by shrapnel from one of the more than 80 bombs bikers have planted around the province. Even the New York Mafia in its heyday never produced such carnage, or so terrorized civilians.”

"It's an embarrassment," says Helene Brunet, who was waiting tables in a diner last year when a Hells Angels biker used her as a human shield in a machine-gun battle that left her clinging to life over a plate of pancakes. "The police and the courts do nothing. They're incapable of stopping them."

“The arrest of seven Hells Angels for the bludgeoning death of a Montreal-area bar owner last month was only the latest entry in the sordid diary of biker-gang violence infecting Quebec. The victim, bar owner Francis Laforest, joins a growing number of Quebecers harmed or killed in the past few years by increasingly brazen and violent bikers. Authorities fear it is only a matter of time before similar drug-money mayhem spreads across the country.”

“The FBI believes the Hells Angels alone rake in more than $1 billion a year distributing illegal narcotics.”

“In a brazen attack in a family restaurant, Robert Savard was gunned down while having breakfast with Normand Descoteaux. Both men are loan sharks and close associates of "Mom" Boucher. Savard died of his wounds and Descoteaux is recovering in hospital. In that shooting, a waitress got caught in the gunfire and was seriously wounded, another innocent victim of organized crime.”


Most of the Rock Machine Gang members are now in prison due to a province wide sweep around 2001. (That’s the main reason why you have not heard much about any organized crime killings in Montreal as of late.)

 

[franky66]

Not too long ago from 1994 –2001 There was a biker war in Montreal….

I found some interesting facts online through google. You can pull more information by typing in the words: ‘Biker war in Montreal’, ‘Rock Machine and Hells Angels war’ etc.. etc A lot of people where killed or injured and not all of them where the intended victims either….I don’t think any of them where “brothas” or “gangstas”….And some how, I doubt that they (bikers) listen to 50 cent (50 sucks IMHO, but that’s another thread) or Tupac!

Biker gang war in Montreal

“Since 1994, Boucher and the Hells Angels have waged a brutal war with a rival biker gang called the Rock Machine for control of Quebec's billion-dollar drug trade, according to investigators. Considering how little attention the story has attracted outside Canada, the toll is staggering: 162 dead (not including 118 attempted murders), scores wounded. The victims include an 11-year-old boy killed by shrapnel from one of the more than 80 bombs bikers have planted around the province. Even the New York Mafia in its heyday never produced such carnage, or so terrorized civilians.”

"It's an embarrassment," says Helene Brunet, who was waiting tables in a diner last year when a Hells Angels biker used her as a human shield in a machine-gun battle that left her clinging to life over a plate of pancakes. "The police and the courts do nothing. They're incapable of stopping them."

“The arrest of seven Hells Angels for the bludgeoning death of a Montreal-area bar owner last month was only the latest entry in the sordid diary of biker-gang violence infecting Quebec. The victim, bar owner Francis Laforest, joins a growing number of Quebecers harmed or killed in the past few years by increasingly brazen and violent bikers. Authorities fear it is only a matter of time before similar drug-money mayhem spreads across the country.”

“The FBI believes the Hells Angels alone rake in more than $1 billion a year distributing illegal narcotics.”

“In a brazen attack in a family restaurant, Robert Savard was gunned down while having breakfast with Normand Descoteaux. Both men are loan sharks and close associates of "Mom" Boucher. Savard died of his wounds and Descoteaux is recovering in hospital. In that shooting, a waitress got caught in the gunfire and was seriously wounded, another innocent victim of organized crime.”


Most of the Rock Machine Gang members are now in prison due to a province wide sweep around 2001. (That’s the main reason why you have not heard much about any organized crime killings in Montreal as of late.)

WOW, quite interesting. Perhaps great bear can shed some light on this. I hope the silence doesnt become deafening

 

[franky66]

Smart ass Great bear, the majority of black people in Toronto are from Jamaica or have parents or grandparents from jamaica. What proportion do you think will be 'linked' with Jamaica? Obviously a majority. It is quite simple. However what I love is when without hearing any facts some ignorant souls will say..it must be a Jamaican even though alot of these guys have never ever been to Jamaica.

Alot of these guys were born and raised in Canada and this the only country they know. A few come to Canada when they are 2 or 3. I am sure they didnt have criminal career before coming.

I dont remember anyone calling Colin Powell, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno etc etc etc Jamaicans. Their parents are from there but they didnt grow up there though. Its only when it comes to negativity y'all want to bring Jamaica into it. Others like Michael Lee Chin the billionaire and one of the 4 richest men in Canada are always labelled Canadian in the news and magazines like FORBES and the same with Donovan Bailey even though they grew up in Jamaica and came to Canada in their mid to late teens.

The media feeds you what it wants you to know. The media loves to 'fuel' hatred and negative attitudes. You can keep your media

 

[franky66]

I understood your context perfectly, and I stand by what I said.

Anywho, I'm done posting in this thread, and since I have the power
to do so..................I may even delete it

if you stand by your comments then you clearly didnt understand. What i said was about Police attention and attitudes. and not about LIFE in general.

You dont understand and thats understandable.

 

[franky66]

Unfortunately I speak with some experience. Do I fear the police in Columbia? Yes.

Columbia? You mean Columbia as in District of Columbia?

or do you mean Colombia?

Listen, what does race have to do with this? A bunch of inhumane asses committed a crime and should go away for a long time(like 50 years) or perhaps for ever.

Why the hell is race an issue? So that it can thrown in the face of that race? When that race has plenty of people excelling do you make a point to make THAT be known? So why the constant negativity?

some people really dont get it.

There is a simple solution. Wipe the criminals out by locking them up for close to forever or forever and crime will go down. Simple. Race is IRRELEVANT!

 

[franky66]

I agree with you, I also try to avoid them whenever I walk on the street, why put yourself at risk?

Why put my 4 year old daughter at risk? I shouldnt leave her on her own around her white grandfather. He could be a child molestor or serial killer.


Do you listen to yourself?

 

[RTRD]

Really?

Just by observation, the majority of this year's killings have mostly, been if not ALL, been commited by ONE RACE!

And you guys know which one I'm referring to.

...did you observe all of Canada or just Toronto?

Did you research ALL killings or just gun violence?

 

[papasmerf]

...did you observe all of Canada or just Toronto?

Did you research ALL killings or just gun violence?

I think mister Bong was refering to the human race. After all how else could you justify such a statement.

 

[RTRD]

And...

But BB, did you ever stop to think that, that same cop, may have been, earlier that day, been told to f__k off a dozen times by guys with Jamaican accents???

...that excuses it?

He is a COP. He is supposed to represent all that is good in our society ("Toronto's Finest" and all that shit). If you can't take the harassment that all cops face, then don't be a fucking cop! But dooling out is certainly NOT the proper response...

Other people manage to maintain professionalism in the face of harassment all day, because it is their job...and they make a lot less than cops do. Certainly someon who is in trusted with a gun and keeping the peace should have a very, very, very even temper.

But they don't, now do they?

 

[james t kirk]

Think of it this way. I'm walking north on Yonge St. Six young black males are walking on the same side of the street coming south towards me. Do I cross the road? No. Another scenario. I'm walking north on Yonge St. Six young black males are approaching me from the south and six young black males are walking behind me. Do I cross the road? Yes. Is this racist or just common sense?

Its the same rational I use for not attending Caribanna. Why intentionally put yourself in a potentially dangerous situation?

The facts are indisputable, young black males kill other young black males. Why? Is it cultural? What drives this small segment of our population to such horrendous actions? The only groups I can recall acting in a similar manner are the terrorists in Iraq, the drug cartels in Columbia, and the Tamil Tigers.

I was in Columbia when the drug cartels were going at it. They bombed and shot each other plus terrorized the general population. It was a political and economic agenda. Most times the drug cartels would beforehand phone in a warning to a local newspaper or radio station regarding the location of the bombs ect. The Iraq terrorists bomb and kill primarily for political reasons. Same as the Tamil Tigers.

What is the rational for young black men killing other young black men and in the process indiscriminately killing ordinary citizens minding their own business? Is there enough evidence to suggest that the majority of these young lads have lineage to Jamaica? Some of the news sources do seem to indicate this is the case.

I've been around too long and seen far too much and done too many things in my personal life to be generally in fear of walking down the street. But the truth is I'm extremely apprehensive when in the vicinity of young black males. Their approach to life is just to mercurial for me to comprehend it.

It depends.

If they are clean cut looking bunch walking with direction, I am generally not on guard.

If they are looking and acting like gang banger punks itching for trouble, then I agree with you 100%.

It's not about race, it's about behaviour.

Same goes for a bunch of white trash acting in a similar manner.

So there.

 

[RTRD]

I would be ok with this...

I don't think that any reasonable person would say that a "community" could be held responsible for the actions of their most deviant members, be they black gangsters or white serial killers. What communities can do to help these situations is accept that because of the actions of deviant members of their communities, innocent members of their communities will be profiled by the police in their efforts to prevent the problems.

For example, I think that Canada's Muslim groups have generally been pretty reasonable about accepting that recent global terrorism has exposed them to extra scrutiny, even when they have done nothing wrong. Similarly old, white guys must accept extra scrutiny when they leave strip clubs at night, even when they are not drunk, and young black men who look like gangsters must accept that they are, or should be, more likely to be searched for weapons. That is the price we all pay when members of our community misbehave.

...except law enforcement traditionally has been very, very poor at using such powers with discretion.

As has been pointed out, LE often harass people of color now, and frequently are demeaning when doing so. Giving them explict permission to stop and search anyone they felt "fit the profile" makes me personally very, very nervous.

 

[Esco!]

...that excuses it?

It doesnt excuse it but at the end of the day you have to remember they are human.

 

[franky66]

Yea, but when you do that some people say you're picking on them because of the color of their skin .

Case in point, the guy recently arrested , the following is what was wriiten in today's paper, alleged said by a women who lives in the house where he lives

" Family members at his home refused to open the front door yesterday.

"He (Thompson) hasn't been around," a woman yelled through the door. "Leave him alone, he hasn't done anything wrong."

The woman claimed Thompson didn't belong to a street gang and was "being framed by police. He is a good boy and the case is before the courts," she said. "He hasn't been found guilty of anything."

The guy has a lengthy criminal record and this lady has the audacity to say " he's a good boy " and " hasn't done anything wrong "

Ummm, oh please. was that supossed to be an example of being picked on for the colour of ones skin? Thats poppycock logic. You are all over the place mate.

The example you just gave is simply family thinking their 'baby' could never do no wrong. That is human nature.

How many times have you seen a mother claim her son is a good boy who is never mixed up in anything bad? You think this is new? Of course she is going to be biased if she is a close family member. Why pay attention to that? Who cares?

If he is in the wrong, he is in the wrong and should be taken in an dealt with. Who cares what his mommy dearest or whoever thinks??????

 

[anon1]

Same goes for a bunch of white trash acting in a similar manner.

I would do the same thing if sandwiched by a bunch of Skinheads.
And never go into a biker bar unless accompanied by my white boy buddies.