a 1 player kicks some ass

[S.C. Joe]

Well many times its the parent who hurts their kid and then feels bad afterwards, so try to understand the doctors side.

Why the heck would a teenager feel the need to hurt a little girl

Not sure the punch in the mouth is what he needed or it do much good. He needs long term treatment and or a long jail stay. Who else has he hurt and who else will he hurt.


What I would have like to seen happen is if you had a buddy and could have just hold him and make him explain his actions and have him look at the girl afterwards.....then crack his ribs, lol.

 

[gdurham]

I would have done the same thing and worse to the kid. My kids are near and dear, I see red if I even think someone is going to harm them. You might have gotten in trouble with the law for it, but I'd rather get it shit from the cops than sit there and do nothing.

 

[iprint]

Oh, and the aftermath...

I did take her to see the doctor to ensure everything was OK and that there was not some sort of broken ribs or anything like that. What a frigging fiasco that was. About 80% of the appointment was me explaining what happened to my daughter. Interviews with us separately and the such. Though it was not said, I knew he was checking for signs of parental abuse. I mean I can understand why, but holy hell...

She is OK, pretty tender and a hell of a bruise, but other than that no long term damage.

My story 10 month old daughter has a bruise and swelling on her head that I can not explain.Take her to the hospital, she has a slight skull fracture,CAS called, police called, removed from the room, daughter has to stay over night, full bones scan. I stay calm, "no problem but my daughter never leaves my wifes sight". Our doctor calls the next day and speaks up for us and all the test come back OK(ends up our son tried to teach her to walk and she fell off the bed) but we still have an occurrence on our record that can never be removed. I agree that things have to be there to protect the kids but it suck to be in that situation

I would have done the same thing in hitting the kid, but you may have gotten off easy with the kid bolting. Remember it is a court of LAW not Justice.

 

[Shades]

I would have done the same thing in hitting the kid, but you may have gotten off easy with the kid bolting. Remember it is a court of LAW not Justice.

I agree...the law and justice are not necessarily the same thing. I think it is pretty unanimous that we would have all done something similar in response to an attack on our kid but, you are lucky that the delinquent took off and the police weren't involved...you would have had a lot of frustration and trouble on your plate defending your action in the court.

It is interesting that hospitals and doctors not only follow up on injury to kids as potential of abuse...but they also now have to do it for the elderly who can be similar victims.

 

[themexi]

Not sure the punch in the mouth is what he needed or it do much good. He needs long term treatment and or a long jail stay. Who else has he hurt and who else will he hurt.

Treatment or a stay in jail?? Come on, man what A1Player did was PERFECTLY appropriate.... Little shits like this need an IMMEDIATE response to any bullshit they pull. Therapy & jail are too fr removed from the initial crime... they won't effectively be able to associate the 2 events & just get bitter about what they feel was unfair.

Again: To obviously poorly raised little fucks like this.... an immediate Hard punch in the teeth is the best therapy there is.

What I would have like to seen happen is if you had a buddy and could have just hold him and make him explain his actions and have him look at the girl afterwards.....then crack his ribs, lol.

Much better





A1Player, you are my hero of the week.

 

[Mongrel4u]

I would have done the same thing but would have got the hell out of there after that

 

[johnyboy]

What if he died....regardless of the reason you would have been in one awful mess. 15 years of hard time one might want to not go 100% force on that punch

 

[fuji]

It would be interesting to see the jurisprudence on a case like this. The father's reaction is perfectly understandable.

What makes it an over-reaction is that he did more than was necessary to stop the kid. He witnessed an assault and would be within his rights to use force to stop the suspect from leaving the scene. Citizens arrest.

The test is whether or not it really required a full force punch to the face to stop him from leaving.

A clothes line knock-off would have worked as well, at which point the cops could have been called, and the kid written up on an assault charge.

So over-reaction is the word. SOME action is clearly not only justified but legal here--the legal test is whether any more than necessary force was used. If it ever went to trial the arguments would be things like "I wanted to make sure he was down in case he had a weapon" and "I didn't realize how hard I was hitting him since he was moving toward me on a bicycle".

I don't think it would ever result in 15 years of hard time even if the kid was seriously hurt. If it was an over-use of force in a situation where force is otherwise acceptable I think max a couple of years probably served mostly on weekends or at home.

 

[a 1 player]

There is no need to debate whether excessive force was used, I believe I did. The issue being that the whole thing happened so quickly I did not even have time to think about it.

 

[LancsLad]

...it wasn't. Who is reading things that aren't there now?

I was describing MY dream..and in MY dream...the realty that I am not a Canadian citizen comes to bear.

You commit a felony, you go to jail. I commit a felony, the powers that be have the ability to deport me. And in my dream that is what happens...

What the fuck were YOU alluding to??

Sorry if I was wrong.

I assumed ( with all its inherent potential for error) that your reference to being a citizen was a carry over from the Politics section thread wherein I question the core integrity of hussein. I incorrectly thought you had transferred the group " pile on Lancs" to this thread.

My mistake.


As you were.


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[RTRD]

I figured this out...

Sorry if I was wrong.

I assumed ( with all its inherent potential for error) that your reference to being a citizen was a carry over from the Politics section thread wherein I question the core integrity of hussein. I incorrectly thought you had transferred the group " pile on Lancs" to this thread.

My mistake.


As you were.


.

...about 15 minutes later, but figured I'd give you the opportunity to "man up" rather than accuse you of anything.

 

[shakenbake]

That is exactly what I am having issues with. I am upset with myself for losing control, when I should have thought about the consequences prior to acting. That is the problem with life, it gives the test first and the lesson afterward.

hey Brother, we are human, and our children ar eour lives. You did the human thing and I agree with your reaction. No one would get away with hurting my children, as the shit didn't get away with what he did to your child in your situation.

I am proud of you!

 

[King Midas]

Four days later and I'm still pissed at the situation. Actually I have not quite figured out if I am pissed with the situation, the dude, or myself. I guess all three would be the fair assessment, but as I think more about it, I can get over what I did and forgive myself. I just did what any good father would have done in the situation.

Sunday was a beautiful day by all accounts. Some of the best weather of the year, warm temperatures, bright shining sun, and had my kids for the whole long weekend. One of our favourite things to do, (my kids and I), is to go hiking through some of the conservation areas that the city and surrounding areas have to offer, do some exploring and take photographs. My shorties like taking pictures too, and despite their young ages, really have quite a good eye. I love seeing the pictures that they take, as they see things so differently from the way I see them.

My photographs are mainly landscapes and portraits. They will shoot pictures of mushrooms, stumps, jet trails from an airplane. Thinks I would completely overlook on any given day, but with their innocent minds, they still find wonder and beauty in these type of subjects. I gave them each their own digital camera, and a pack of batteries for Christmas last year, and it has turned out to be the single best gift I have ever given them. The cameras are used weekly and they never tire of them. On top of that, it gives us a common hobby, one where we can spend quality family time together.

So, back to the story...

Here we are on Sunday afternoon in a Durham area conservation area having a great day hiking and shooting pictures. My eldest is down by the river looking to see if there are any fish shat she can shoot as she has never taken a picture of one and really wanted to. My younger one was about 40 yards away taking some pictures of a couple of snails that she found hanging on to some plants by the side of the trail. She told me that she would catch up in a couple of minutes, and told me not to go too far away as she did not want to get lost, (she is 7 years old). I am about 30 yards away kind of in the bushes with a zoom lens trying to get a candid shot of her crouching down with the camera.

What I saw next was pure evil.

Kid about 17 years old comes riding down the path on his mountain bike. The path is at least 15 feet wide where she was crouching, and she was right on the side next to the bushes. Add to that the path was straight for at least 40 yards on either side of her, and she was wearing a bright pink shirt. The kid could not have been missed. Anyhow, the bastard on the bike rides right up beside her, slows down and kicks her square in the ribs. She falls to the ground on her face not making a sound. My fucking heart stopped beating. Bike kid then starts hauling ass down the path at top speed making his getaway. I jump out of the bushes about 5 seconds later just as he is about to pass me. I see the sheer look of terror in his eyes for about half a second as I give my hardest punch right for his teeth as he is riding full speed right towards me with no time to brake or turn. I put all 240 lbs. of my rage behind that punch and got a clean hit. He stops dead in his tracks, bicycle keeps going.

Yes I made sure he was still alive. It did however take a few seconds for him to wake up, and what I saw was not pretty. I think some dentist will be going on a nice long vacation in the not too distant future.

I run to my daughter and pick her up from the ground. With tears in her eyes she tells me she had the wind knocked out of her and asked what happened, the meantime my eldest is running towards me crying her eyes out as she has just witnessed the whole thing. The next part is what astounded me the most...

Eldest child (she is 10), completely takes charge of the situation. Gives little one the biggest hug I have ever seen and starts examining the little one to make sure she is ok. She asked all the right questions, examined her ribs, pushed a few places and asked where it hurt. She also wanted to see my hand to make sure that I was alright. She offers little one her sweater and offers to piggyback her to the car. I'm in frigging tears right then. I have never been so proud of either one of them. Little one says she does not want to let 'that asshole' ruin her day and she wants to keep taking pictures. I say I will be back in a minute and to stay right there as I want to check up on the bicycle rider and see if he needs any medical attention.

He sees me coming and runs for his bike and is off like a rocket, big blood trail behind him.

We spent another hour at the park and never did see a police officer.

I really have mixed emotions about this whole thing. Did I overreact? Is there something else I could have done? In the spur of the moment I reacted the only way I knew how, but still do not feel good about it, and am certainly not proud of what I did. One more freaking thing I have to talk to my therapist about now God dammit. Fuck sakes.

and for the record, this is the first time in my life that I have ever threw the first punch. I hate violence.

What did you say to your daughters after the fact?

 

[smylee52]

What if he died....regardless of the reason you would have been in one awful mess. 15 years of hard time one might want to not go 100% force on that punch

Policeman - What happened ?

A1 - He kicked my baby in the ribs .

Policeman - OK . Then he rode right at you looking like he was going to attack you .

A1 - Well I had to jump out to make sure he didn't get away .

Policeman - Sir I understand you feared for your life because he just attacked your helpless daughter and was riding right at you with a murderous look on his face and you feared for your life .

A1 - Yes that's exactly what happened I feared for my life and had to protect myself and my children.

Policeman - Just as I thought . A clear case of self defence.

Low life's that attack small children don't get any sympathy from the police .

 

[tboy]

That is exactly what I am having issues with. I am upset with myself for losing control, when I should have thought about the consequences prior to acting. That is the problem with life, it gives the test first and the lesson afterward.

Nope, you did not one iota thing wrong in any way shape or form.

Just keep telling yourself this: that punk assed fuckwad did it, knew what he was doing, knew it was wrong, and thought he could do it and get away with it.

What you taught him (hopefully) is that there are ramifications for his actions. Hopefully you also taught him that no matter how big you are, there is ALWAYS someone bigger ready to pay you back 10 fold.

I applaud you for only punching hm once. I for one would not have stopped at one. I would have made fricken SURE he remembered it for the rest of his life.

If nothing else I would have taken his bike and trashed the spokes, chain and anything else I could get my hands on.

Overreact? No way man, you exhibited an amazing bit of self control IMO.....

 

[papasmerf]

There is no need to debate whether excessive force was used, I believe I did. The issue being that the whole thing happened so quickly I did not even have time to think about it.

Shooting him would have been excessive. What you did was defend you child. You did not kick in his ribs once he was down. Instead you did what a father would do and that is go over to his baby.

 

[alexmst]

I think you responded in an understandable way.

What kind of cowardly creep goes around kicking 7-year-old girls when they aren't looking just because they think no one bigger is around and they can gert away with it?

MasterCard commercial idea: Camera $149., Parking $5., look on the face of the creepy dude who kicked my kid for a thrill, frozen in time a second before my punch impacted his face - Priceless!

 

[a 1 player]

What did you say to your daughters after the fact?

I told them the truth.

Before I tucked them into bed for the night I explained that situation was what I have been talking about all these years. That there are a few creeps in the world that hurt little children for no reason, and that we all got off lucky even if it does not seem so. I told them that it could have been worse if he was with his friends, if they were alone, if he had a weapon, or if he tried to steal one of them. We then went over our 'rules' about what to do if they are alone, lost, or if a stranger approaches them.

A sad lesson indeed. but now they UNDERSTAND that they are not invincible. The part that is really breaking my heart is that the younger one 'thinks' somehow that she was doing something wrong, but does not know what it was, and that the man was mad at her. I think a trip or two to my therapist might help her to understand a little better than I am able to.

 

[Moraff]

Did you do the right thing legally? Probably not, but I would hope there would be some leeway in the "using only necessary force" to account for your state of mind at the time.

Would I have done what you did? Definitely! And probably wouldn't have been able to stop at just one hit.

Sorry to hear your little ones had to learn that life's not safe so early, but very happy that it wasn't a worse lesson.

 

[tboy]

Did you do the right thing legally? Probably not, but I would hope there would be some leeway in the "using only necessary force" to account for your state of mind at the time.

Would I have done what you did? Definitely! And probably wouldn't have been able to stop at just one hit.

Sorry to hear your little ones had to learn that life's not safe so early, but very happy that it wasn't a worse lesson.

The legal aspect is a grey area but I think had this happened to me, I would have lost it and if the police had become involved, probably would have faced charges.

Hitting the punk once and knocking him off his bike would probably have been either totally ignored had the police become involved. I remember once I caught some punks sitting on the hood of my new car in front of my house and tore into them to get the F away from it. I was worried they might come back and damage it later that night so I called the cops to ask what can I legally do to them IF they do come back. The cop told me I can do basically whatever it takes to capture and subdue them and then added "but don't break any bones or anything".....

I highly doubt anything will come of this but to Player: does your little one have a bruise or anything where the guy kicked her? If so, I'd take a photo of it just in case. Who knows? Maybe the punk got your licence plate or something or the parents called the cops.....having proof of what he did would be a good way of covering your ass.....(also known as CYA)