A 4th person dies from the Accident east of T/O on Friday....

GameBoy27

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In this case, the ones that got it worse were not the ones just in front of the truck. A friend was in this mess. The truck hit the car behind my friend, which in turn hit my friend's vehicle in the back. I saw a photo of he vehicle behind my friend's: it's unrecognizable. My friend's car is a writeoff but friend was not injured. lucky! Somehow my friend was pushed just enough to the side that the truck went by in the left lane. My friend indicated the cars ahead in the left lane got it worse as the truck plowed them right over.
You should call your friend LuckyPants. Things like that can go either way. Scary stuff especially when it's totally out of your control.

The speed limit is reduced through the construction area to 80 kmh (EB & WB), there are no shoulders through the construction, the sides of the road are lined with concrete walls, the detour route is curvy and uneven.
The detour probably could have been laid out better with wider lanes but I guess the province decide to save some $. Too bad nobody has gone after the transportation minister to get some answers.
The construction is supposed to completed by year end.
I suspect the crash was caused by the TT driver falling asleep. The road conditions likely had no bearing on the situation. Not much the transportation minister has to answer for IMHO. Unfortunate timing...

Sad story.

As for signage, I've called 311 to alter the signage where it caused traffic or a bottle neck, and was a safety risk - AND THEY EVENTUALLY DID CHANGE IT FOR THE BETTER.
I find calling or writing my city Councillor, the Mayor or the Ministry in charge has resulted in getting several things changed for the better over the years. I used to just bitch about stuff to my friends, now I hold them to account. To my surprise, it's been working.

Maybe more vehicles on the road during the Summer months? Same with drownings, more in the Summer than in Winter.
That's for sure. Mostly because people aren't smart enough to wear a life jacket.
 

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That's for sure. Mostly because people aren't smart enough to wear a life jacket.
I know the usual suspects will probably accuse me of being racist but I notice over the past several years that many drowning victims in Ontario are South Asians. Not only do they not wear life jackets but they can't swim.
 

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So what should one do while driving on the 401 while east of Scarborough? Drive in the slow lane?
 

thumper18474

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Be aware of your surroundings
don't dart in and out of lanes
dont try and jump the que to gain 2 or 3 car lengths (personal peeve of mine).
keep up with the flow of traffic..if they're doing 105...go 105...don't go 90!
stay off the phone...
it's not just east of scarborough. ..it's just common sense driving
 

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18 year old Western student killed on sidewalk on campus by impaired driver. Driver released on $1,500 bail. Looks like we don't take impaired driving very seriously when the impaired driver is released on $1,500 bail (probably while still impaired).
 

nottyboi

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What amazes me (well it doesn't really) is how the rich kid who killed the 3 children thread has all kinda "hang em high" language and vitrol, while here a PROFESSIONAL DRIVER colossally FUCKED UP on a 400 series highway (maybe on drugs/sleepy who knows) and caused absolute carnage and there is just a tiny amount of anger. Probably because he is not heir to a billion dollar fortune? Just goes to show my point about the big green giant lol
 

legmann

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T.O.
What amazes me (well it doesn't really) is how the rich kid who killed the 3 children thread has all kinda "hang em high" language and vitrol, while here a PROFESSIONAL DRIVER colossally FUCKED UP on a 400 series highway and caused absolute carnage and there is just a tiny amount of anger. Probably because he is not heir to a billion dollar fortune? Just goes to show my point about the big green giant
You're an idiot. The truck driver wasn't found to be driving while impaired; Muzzo was. The truck driver isn't known to have been partying heavily before getting into his vehicle and choosing to drive; Muzzo is known to. Finally, the truck driver hasn't gone to lengths to avoid responsibility and proclaim 'innocence' despite overwhelming evidence and loss of life caused; Muzzo has.

See the difference here?
 
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Garrett

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What amazes me (well it doesn't really) is how the rich kid who killed the 3 children thread has all kinda "hang em high" language and vitrol, while here a PROFESSIONAL DRIVER colossally FUCKED UP on a 400 series highway (maybe on drugs/sleepy who knows) and caused absolute carnage and there is just a tiny amount of anger. Probably because he is not heir to a billion dollar fortune? Just goes to show my point about the big green giant lol
Do you ever get tired of being a fuckhead? People are dead, and you try to grind it all up in your rage-o-meter to compare them and push your personal agenda.

It is all fucked up. People are dead. Get some humanity and stop posting every dumb thought in that vacuous head of yours.
 

thumper18474

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Will The charges be.......
Muzzo ......will be charged with vehicular manslaughter or homicide...depending on if the crown can prove he did it willfully and with total disregard...got behind the wheel
the Truck driver ......will most likely be charged with dangerous driving ...causing death..?

regardless ......2 tragedies.... multiple loss of life
 

legmann

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T.O.

nottyboi

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You're an idiot. The truck driver wasn't found to be driving while impaired; Muzzo was. The truck driver isn't known to have been partying heavily before getting into his vehicle and choosing to drive; Muzzo is known to. Finally, the truck driver hasn't gone to lengths to avoid responsibility and proclaim 'innocence' despite overwhelming evidence and loss of life caused; Muzzo has.

See the difference here?
Hes done nothing of the sort, I did a quick google and could find nothing of what you say happened. Of course he will get a lawyer, and of course he will defend himself. That is the way things work. How do you know the truck driver was not impaired. Maybe he was sleep deprived. In either case, he screwed up, made a big mistake and killed a bunch of people, Muzzo pretty much did the same thing. How do you know the driver was not partying etc etc, and how do you know that was true about Muzzo or if it was just slander? Once again we are show how easily it is to trigger the lynch mob mentality.
 

nottyboi

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Do you ever get tired of being a fuckhead? People are dead, and you try to grind it all up in your rage-o-meter to compare them and push your personal agenda.

It is all fucked up. People are dead. Get some humanity and stop posting every dumb thought in that vacuous head of yours.
yes people are dead, people die everyday, just so funny how jealousy seems to pop up when a rich person kills people accidentally vs some regular joe blow.
 
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