A Call For Zero Tolerance: Against Women Abuse in this Industry.(Band together)

[ChaosTheory]

#BellLetsTalk

It's about time we had this discussion, if we have had it before we have to be reminded, as I have been hearing about so many unfortunate situations recently, the most severe was the murder of an escort.

Our Sex workers are continuously being abused both mentally and physically (mild to serious degrees) by clients and that behaviour is being perpetuated because either advocacy is weak or buried in most cases either due to fear, politics or adversely effecting business, who knows the real reason...

...all I know is that we as a community should be made aware, band together and stop this.
Clients, agency owners and staff, sex workers anyone.
We need an outlet and more so a solution to the problem...unconditionally.

Blacklist, ban, reveal the handles of those abusers, if board members? Agencies deal with the patron swiftly and justly?
It could be happening but we have to know about it in some capacity.
Because ignored only the woman suffers.

Let's interact respectful and responsibly.
I have zero tolerance for abuse as I am sure most of you do.but some don't hence the motivation of this thread.
We all should.

 

[SexB]

There's a member on another board who claims he isn't contemptuous of sex workers but continually refers to them by derogatory names.

I don't know if he's a member here, if he is, he's probably just a lurker because he knows there's very little tolerance for nonsense like that here.

 

[K Douglas]

Hear Hear Chaos Theory. Zero tolerance for these maggots.

 

[Spacealien2]

Revealing the real life info of them is probably the most effective.

 

[SexB]

Revealing the real life info of them is probably the most effective.

If anyone wants to know the PoS I mentioned's handle, PM me.

If any ladies think they've had him for a client, they can blacklist him and spread the word.

 

[Sensual Kate]

Thank you for this.

 

[MissCroft]

Our Sex workers are continuously being abused both mentally and physically (mild to serious degrees) by clients and that behaviour is being perpetuated because either advocacy is weak or buried in most cases either due to fear, politics or adversely effecting business, who knows the real reason...

Thank you for bringing this topic up. I have been afraid sometimes to say anything for fear of retaliation and it affecting my business. It is a problem.

 

[Frankfooter]

Thank you for bringing this topic up. I have been afraid sometimes to say anything for fear of retaliation and it affecting my business. It is a problem.

I would hope that the board would back you up should you warn other ladies and the board about bad clients. But I'm not an admin. Just as I hope that if not here, there is somewhere else where where you can post that info.
Whichever, your safety and comfort are paramount, if you don't feel safe then how can any of us feel comfortable.

 

[IM469]

...all I know is that we as a community should be made aware, ban together and stop this.
Clients, agency owners and staff, sex workers anyone.....

Let's interact respectful and responsibly.
I have zero tolerance for abuse as I am sure most of you do.but some don't hence the motivation of this thread.
We all should.

Seems like a good intention thread but if you are a client like me - our interaction with a service/MPA/dancer is on a service oriented interaction. I don't know the background of the girl in front of me and we leave each other's world as soon as I walk out the door. My only effort I could make was to help get rid of Harper - the asshole who put legislation in place to keep abuses in the closet with the rest of the industry.

 

[peter4025]

Thanks for bringing this up Chaos. Unfortunately there is an increase in complains form SW that are getting abused from customers. Most of the time these abuses are getting unnoticed as the ladies and agencies are keeping it quite.

I think that by telling us when a real abuse happens it would be the first step to stop this. I bet that most men are not aware of this problem. Known abusers should be named by the agency or the Indys. You should not keep it quite for fear of loosing business. These people have to be stop.

 

[Butler1000]

Revealing the real life info of them is probably the most effective.

While that might seem to be I prefer to have a zero outing policy on the board.

Better an industry only access area for blacklist info. As much as we would want to allow for Internet justice we have seen how that can go wrong in the past.

 

[squeezer]

While that might seem to be I prefer to have a zero outing policy on the board.

Better an industry only access area for blacklist info. As much as we would want to allow for Internet justice we have seen how that can go wrong in the past.

But, for once I agree with you.

 

[Butler1000]

But, for once I agree with you.

You may find that will happen more than you think.

The year is young and so is Trudeau. If his track record continues even you may have to start questioning.....

As for this if the industry bigwigs want to set up a mirror site with bad John info for properly vetted providers it probably would be a good idea. I think it would have to be independent of Terb. They also now have the option of the police and I think they should use it more often.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I personally know of ladies who have had bad experiences, some too afraid to call the police, when police action was clearly warranted. (In a few cases of injustice to SPs, I really wish I could be like that action hero, The Punisher, or as powerful as a Tony Soprano type to exact revenge, or to be like The Equalizer).

It's a good idea to band together and do whatever we can to minimize or eradicate abuse, but C-36 prevents us even more so from being visible. Only through proxy I guess can we advocate.

 

[SexB]

Being verbally abused, threatened and degraded online in social media and especially review boards whether it's from clients making general insults or jokes or targeting individual workers

Case in point; the board member I was talking about.

He only ever refers to escorts by derogatory terms.

 

[wazup]

None of this stuff will ever come to be, this is an anonymous hobby, what do you propose we do, patrol all the areas of the city. This is mostly guys just saying all the right things to get the girls attention on here. This is a secretive hobby with a lot of creeps and not much can be done, unfortunately.

 

[reaper29]

My biggest beef with this industry is that we as providers almost have to be involved with social media and review boards to stay relevant, and what gets me down is seeing other women being harassed and belittled day after day across multiple platforms. At first I wanted to say something and stand up for every injustice I saw (that was not warranted) but then the trolls started picking on me and directing their anger to me. Why is it so prevalent? Well more often than not it's ladies sticking up for ladies, and then sometimes regulars sticking up for their ATF. Most of the time the average reader just consumes content, laughs and moves on, and then there's threads about "Where did so and so go?" or "Who do you wish would return to the industry?" It's not surprising there is a short shelf life to Toronto SPs especially when clients can be quite critical and always looking for the next best thing, and trying to make or break a lady with their review. It's something I had never ever considered when getting into this industry. I am glad for the friends and connections I've made, but sometimes I have to disconnect for a while just to avoid feeling awful about what I just read from a review board guy. You guys here can really be part of a greater work of change by recognizing and not tolerating abuse and harassment. The reason negativity and abuse can get so rampant is that often no one, or not the majority stands up to say anything about it, so the lurkers just acquiesce that this is "normal" and par for the course.

While no one expects any clients or friends to listen to us complain or solve our problems it is GREATLY appreciated if:

-you see a guy harassing a woman on social media or a review board and you step up and say something like hey buddy keep your negative opinion to yourself, or don't talk to her like that

vs

totally ignoring what you just read because it doesn't concern you, or worse laughing and turning it into a joke

-if a sex worker you encounter seems a little bit bummed or is trying to move on from a bad previous client experience, have a little empathy, don't assume the worst of her and don't trash her in a review to encourage other men into shaming her as well if they ever had an experience that wasn't 100% perfect

Personally I find these things happen FAR too often, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, but a lot of the board readers either read horrible things said against SPs and say nothing sticking their head in the sand, or they join in on the band wagon and try to cut her down as a group.

It's absolutely fine to include accurate details, constructive criticism, and honest complaints, but there's a difference between being objective and trying to belittle a woman or ruin her reputation because your experience wasn't perfect.

I've never met you and I am sorry that you or any of the ladies in this industry have to endure verbal and mental abuse from Johns on a day to day basis. Part of the problem is the various avenues and technology used to reach out to potential clients. With the anonymity benefits of the internet these days, more and more people may feel brazen enough to hide behind their keyboards and type up whatever bs to effect your reputation and/or make them feel more "in charge". Or maybe it is just the way the current generation acts now. The "me now" society when instant gratification is everything and fuck whoever gets in their way. I too have noticed this trend over the past several years on both client and sp side and am saddened to what this industry is becoming. When I initially joined this site, it was like a big friendly party. The ladies more approachable and the men more respectful. Terb parties were frequent, where you got to know the ladies in a casual environment.

So for all the ladies that have dealt with this bs, do your best to ignore it, because those clowns represent a very small percentage (I hope) of the respectful gentlemen on this site that just wanna have fun and play with you ladies. Just my 2 cents.

Reaper

 

[rhuarc29]

I can't really see what we can do to create a better atmosphere excepting when we are with the ladies ourselves!

Obviously the biggest hurdle to creating safer conditions is the law itself and negative stereotypes surrounding the industry. That's where our advocacy should be.

 

[Frankfooter]

I can't really see what we can do to create a better atmosphere excepting when we are with the ladies ourselves!

Obviously the biggest hurdle to creating safer conditions is the law itself and negative stereotypes surrounding the industry. That's where our advocacy should be.

We can call out assholes for being assholes.

 

[glamphotographer]

Thanks Chaos I'm on board with you and other members. Shame, Harper and his reformers have failed to protect sex workers but it was never their motivation. Bill C-36 was a smoke screen to protect religious and moral beliefs. It was only a matter of time for the sad news of a sex worker being murdered.