A Great Night For Democrats: Referendum On Trump

[silentkisser]

Rubio has stones.

Does he? He went pretty fucking quickly from the guy who was going to fight Trump from destroying the Reagan GOP to bending the knee and becoming his Secretary of State....

In all seriousness...I really don't think there is another politician that has the support or loyalty that Trump enjoys. He's created an image that most people know is bullshit, but one where he can fuck things up to such a massive extent, yet he somehow is able to convince people he's not to blame or that the game was rigged. Rubio, Vance, Cruz or any one else in the GOP has that, as far as I can see. Now, all that being said, maybe the MAGA cultists will throw their support to anyone who is associated with Trump. Or, maybe they start to question things...

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Rubio has stones.

LOL. If there is one guy without stones, and swallows his pride every day just to keep his job, it's Rubio.

 

[WyattEarp]

Shapiro is another, yes. Buttigieg might run as well.
But I don't like Shapiro or Newsom either, but they are the best the Dems can conjure up right now.
They are all out of touch mainstream dems who are AIPAC whores.
The Newsoms, Schumers, Pelosis, Buttigiegs, Bookers, Jeffries etc., need to go.
The left needs populist leaders like AOC, Mamdani etc.,
For people who say the swing states wont vote for them, I don't believe that.
If they can vote for a non-traditional candidate like Trump, I believe they can be convinced otherwise as well.

I think it wishful thinking. I say the same thing to my very conservative friends who think they can purify the party and consistently win elections. Winning over the American electorate nationally is very complicated calculus.

If the economy is in the slow-end of the cycle, sure a progressive can win. However, can they win the other years is the question.

John Belushi purifying the Democratic party:

 

[WyattEarp]

LOL. If there is one guy without stones, and swallows his pride every day just to keep his job, it's Rubio.

Wasn't Trudeau Canada's previous Prime Minister?

Most U.S. and Canadian politicians eat a lot of shit on their way up the ladder.
Trump might have been one of the few to breakthrough without this process.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I think it wishful thinking. I say the same thing to my very conservative friends who think they can purify the party and consistently win elections. Winning over the American electorate nationally is very complicate calculus.

If the economy is in the slow-end of the cycle, sure a progressive can win. However, can they win the other years is the question.

It isn't about winning every cycle.
I think most people know that it is going to alternate between the Republicans and the Democrats.
I am talking about the current state of the Dems and the political persuasion of the country right now, which for the foreseeable future will stay populist.
The Dems need to get with the program.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Wasn't Trudeau Canada's previous Prime Minister?

Most U.S. and Canadian politicians eat a lot of shit on their way up the ladder.
Trump might have been one of the few to breakthrough without this process.

What does Trudeau have to do with this?
Yes politicians everywhere eat a lot of shit on their way up, but they don't sell out and tuck their tails in completely like Rubio has.

 

[WyattEarp]

It isn't about winning every cycle.
I think most people know that it is going to alternate between the Republicans and the Democrats.
I am talking about the current state of the Dems and the political persuasion of the country right now, which for the foreseeable future will stay populist.
The Dems need to get with the program.

I think you are oversimplifying the calculus by simply branding it as populism.
Not all "populist" issues are as we would say wildly popular.

Being able to pursue "populist" policies without alienating some party factions is a difficult trick.

As I have said before, the Democrats go into national elections with more factions that are harder to manage politically.

 

[WyattEarp]

What does Trudeau have to do with this?
Yes politicians everywhere eat a lot of shit on their way up, but they don't sell out and tuck their tails in completely like Rubio has.

Trudeau never seemed in command in my opinion.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I think you are oversimplifying the calculus by simply branding it as populism.
Not all "populist" issues are as we would say wildly popular.

Being able to pursue "populist" policies without alienating some party factions is a difficult trick.

As I have said before, the Democrats go into national elections with more factions that are harder to manage politically.

That's okay. We understand that political views are nuanced.
It is generally true though that the country has moved away from the center and embraced populism, either on the right or on the left.
The Republicans are ahead of the curve in embracing this change, and the democrats are just stuck with their Obama era politics, which ain't selling.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Trudeau never seemed in command in my opinion.

How could he have stayed in power for 9 years without being in command?

 

[WyattEarp]

How could he have stayed in power for 9 years without being in command?

If you believe Trudeau was a strong, take charge leader, I didn't always see that. He seemed beholden to the party's ideology until the bitter end..

Carney seems smarter and more capable. It would appear he is taking Canada in a different direction than Trudeau.

The ability to win elections isn't necessarily the same as taking charge. Let's face it if Trudeau didn't have the family legacy would he even have been in a leadership position

 

[Frankfooter]

If you believe Trudeau was a strong, take charge leader, I didn't always see that. He seemed beholden to the party's ideology until the bitter end..

Carney seems smarter and more capable. It would appear he is taking Canada in a different direction than Trudeau.

The ability to win elections isn't necessarily the same as taking charge. Let's face it if Trudeau didn't have the family legacy would he even have been in a leadership position

The Lib/NDP minority got a lot done.
But working with other people and parties is anathema to conservative ideology.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

If you believe Trudeau was a strong, take charge leader, I didn't always see that. He seemed beholden to the party's ideology until the bitter end..

Carney seems smarter and more capable. It would appear he is taking Canada in a different direction than Trudeau.

The ability to win elections isn't necessarily the same as taking charge.

It seems that way because of Trudeau's last 2 years in power where he lost support.
But he was a very well liked leader before that.
The maple MAGA crowd will always complain, but that is all they do even today with Carney.

 

[Frankfooter]

It seems that way because of Trudeau's last 2 years in power where he lost support.
But he was a very well liked leader before that.
The maple MAGA crowd will always complain, but that is all they do even today with Carney.

He messed up on immigration, those numbers were way too high, and on support for Israel, but otherwise was doing fine.
That becomes more apparent with PeePee's failures against Carney, address the issues and the libs won.

 

[jalimon]

I think it wishful thinking. I say the same thing to my very conservative friends who think they can purify the party and consistently win elections. Winning over the American electorate nationally is very complicated calculus.

If the economy is in the slow-end of the cycle, sure a progressive can win. However, can they win the other years is the question.

John Belushi purifying the Democratic party:

What the American needs to realize is that, since Reagan, every republican tenure has been an economic disaster. Each time it took the democrats to fix it.

You can refuse to recognize history. But you can't rewrite it.

 

[richaceg]

You do sound excited.
I'm sure its much more pleasant than your present job in diaper changing.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1985929221492129980

Like I said...just scavenging anything Trump...you wake up the next morning and guess what...3 more years

 

[richaceg]

The Dems should nominate a Great Lakes moderate like Whitmer, Shapiro or Moore (stretching the boundary a bit) to appeal to the greatest number of voters. At this juncture, I don't know if the far left will tolerate a Jewish Democrat as nominee.

Newsom is smart and a good talker. I think there are two things to be concerned about him.
Is he too slick to be viewed as sincere nationally?
Will he be bogged down defending California's progressive policies on matters like taxes, energy, etc?

Newsom's problem was his own doing...he didn't really addressed the wildfires, he hasn't addressed the increasing homeless problem...IMO, i was actually believing he could've beat Trump in the 2024 election had the democrats annointed him instead of Kamala...Kamala had a bad rep then and Newsom hasn't been exposed yet.

 

[Frankfooter]

Like I said...just scavenging anything Trump...you wake up the next morning and guess what...3 more years

I do appreciate the framing of trump as an orange asshole in that picture.
well done

but remember, a true MAGA knows that they aren't allowed to have opinions.
That's only for the orange asshole.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986068295884152918

 

[Frankfooter]

Newsom's problem was his own doing...he didn't really addressed the wildfires,

Do you also sweep forests?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1980001179611340807

 

[WyattEarp]

It seems that way because of Trudeau's last 2 years in power where he lost support.
But he was a very well liked leader before that.
The maple MAGA crowd will always complain, but that is all they do even today with Carney.

I have a feeling Trudeau would not have won a third term if he didn't call for an early COVID-era vote in 2021.
I realize you have a multiparty system, but the Liberals under Trudeau also won historically low vote totals for a ruling Canadian party.

But again winning elections doesn't validate strong leadership or "stones" as I mentioned.

By the way, I will stand corrected my original statement. Saying Rubio has stones was the wrong word. I think Rubio is relatively popular.
(You should take note. It's okay to admit a mistaken statement on the forum.)