About Muslims...
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There you go, spouting the same fucked up values and culture you supposedly came here to escape from ... so I guess I'm starting to agree with you in some small part ... if you can't accept our Canadian values and culture, and want to bring to this country the same bigoted hatred you claim is "over there", then go back to where you came from.
Wait a second, I just read that again..... thats bull....... Your telling me that guy who murdered his daughter got to live by the same rules he would get to live by in his country???? Bullshit..... He's going to be prosecuted and taken to jail whereas he may have gotten away with it in his homeland.Count Of Montecristo said:
If you want to say that they can come here, profit and have some religious freedoms then fine, I agree with that. But there is no way that these people are coming here and getting away with murder.... Thats one of the worse arguments I've read now that I'm looking at it again.
You didn't go what me and my family had to go through for generations. All you can do is read a few articles and think that you understand what it's all about. If you and your family went through the same thing chances are you would have hatred too. Sure I hate them, for these people it's eye for an eye not turn the other cheek.woolf said:
The extreme religious muslims, you know the ones that look like they are wearing their pyjamas on the street, head wrappers etc. have no place in Christian countries. I have no problem with open minded modern thinking people of any race and religion. Do you think a guy that prays to Allah 5 times a day and blindly lets his religion control his life would go to war for Canada?
By the way, I have accepted the Canadian Culture and values. I haven't killed any of these extremists because I didn't like the language they're speaking or the way they're dressed. Not yet anyways
You sir are a bigot, you;ve clearly shown this, and that is why I don't give a shit about you ... you on the other hand judge people based on their clothing ... there is a big ficking difference ... not get the fuck out of my country bigot.
No offense, but i know Muslims who dress like you say and I got news for you, they don't follow their religion blindly.Sargeant StiffCock said:You didn't go what me and my family had to go through for generations. All you can do is read a few articles and think that you understand what it's all about. If you and your family went through the same thing chances are you would have hatred too. Sure I hate them, for these people it's eye for an eye not turn the other cheek.
The extreme religious muslims, you know the ones that look like they are wearing their pyjamas on the street, head wrappers etc. have no place in Christian countries. I have no problem with open minded modern thinking people of any race and religion. Do you think a guy that prays to Allah 5 times a day and blindly lets his religion control his life would go to war for Canada?
By the way, I have accepted the Canadian Culture and values. I haven't killed any of these extremists because I didn't like the language they're speaking or the way they're dressed. Not yet anyways
Here is a little lesson for you, many of the Muslims that live here are more educated and open than the Muslims in the Middle East. There are many different types of Muslims in Canada (Sunnis, Shites, etc.) and they debate amongst themselves about what is right and wrong in their religion and what their beliefs entail.
You think that all these people are close minded, but you don't know anything. They live here in peace, don't fight amongst themselves like Muslims in the Middle East do and they don't treat non-Muslims like shit. Yes there are exceptions, but there are exceptions every where in every race and religion. They want the freedom to practice their religion, as long as they respect this country then what is the problem?
A lot of people look at the Arabs and think they are the embodiment of Islam. As far as I'm concerned, the Muslims here are much more representative of the religion than the Muslims that abused you and your family. I understand why you hate Muslims, but your hate is misdirected to these Muslims.
There is no doubt Christianity has blood in its closet. The difference is that Christianity has evolved with the times. I don't think the Muslim faith has evolved over time and it won't ever evolve if they continue to have extremists at the helm.
All one has to look at is how powerful the Christian church was in medevial times. When people began to separate church and state western society started to evolve.
All one has to look at is how powerful the Christian church was in medevial times. When people began to separate church and state western society started to evolve.
Ahhh....Woolfy.... I thought you really cared about mewoolf said:
Let me confirm it loud and clear... I DO NOT LIKE MUSLIMS WHO WEAR TRADITIONAL CLOTHES AND GO AROUND PROMOTING ISLAM IN A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. I don't think they belong here. Nobody is going to change my mind about that, certainly not an innocent little person like yourself who probably grew up in a perfect little world and now has all the right things to say. "Ooohh, you don't judge a person by the way they're dressed, aaahh you don't judge a person by their religion". yeah well... I DO. Why don't you take your head out of your ass and take a look at what's happened and what is happening in the world.
A whole fucking country of Muslims slaughtered 1.5 to 2 million people for the sake of religion. Not one person, not a group of people, the whole fucking country ganged-up on non-muslims. Is this registering at all? Children, women, didn't matter. So don't tell me how they are not all the same. Again, my immediate family was involved in this. I lived through the feeling of segregation all through my childhood. What hands-on experience do you have regarding this matter? What have you experienced that is even remotely close to what my family and I have gone through generation after generation? All you've done is read a few articles and now you are judging me because I am angry? Would YOU be a little angry if they chopped-off your father's head in front of you, raped your mom and sister and left you (a 5 year old child) for dead. Yeah typing a few clever words is easy you fucking idiot, let me see you live through that and come out of it without a little hatred.
We gave up everything we had worked for generations, came here and started again from nothing. Not a day on welfare not a day on unemployment. I've been working in this country ever since I was 12. I've paid my dues and keep doing so. You wouldn't have a fucking country if it wasn't for good hard working immigrants like my father and myself. So don't tell me to get out of it. It shows how much you care for your own country if you're willing to put up with all this garbage that's coming in but then again you don't have a fucking clue do you?
I don't want them killed, eliminated, slaughtered. I just don't want them here converting this country to a fucked-up place to live like they have done with their own countries. (Trust me it's best for us Christians). Is that too much to ask?
Brownie69 said:
How they behave here as a minority does not count cause they have no choice. It's how they behave in their countries towards the minorities, THAT is what counts and we all know how well that has worked throughout the history up till present day.
By the way, when the September 6-7 riots happened in the early 50s, my mom was 10 years old. They have had the same Turkish neighbours for years. Many of them even knew the time my mother was born as people don't move around much in Turkey. Do you think any of these good, peaceful, nice Turkish people, neighbours for many years, (kind of like the many nice people that you know) did anything to help? Never mind, they joined in. You want me to trust these people?
\Sargeant StiffCock said:
And Christian missionaries have never kept western dress when rushing out to save the heathen?
Why the fuck would you care what someone else wears, unless they are forcing you to wear it? Actually, I do care is some idiot wears sandals in February as frozen toes cause spending in the health care system, and that affects me in a number of ways.
As for Muslims promoting their faith, what is so hard for you just to smile and say no thank you? Personally, I find the Mormon's a pain in the ass when they come to the door, but I don't run around getting a hate on the way you seem to.
No, I think you have serious issues. You left Turkey to escape religious oppression, and yet here you are, seeking to oppress. A tolerant liberal society means being tolerant to more than just the majority.
Riots and wars are extrodinary circumstances. I'm not saying what they did is right, but it happens to all people, not just Muslims..... Your not picking a very good example to seperate Muslims from the rest of mankind.Sargeant StiffCock said:
Also, I don't trust people because of their religious affiliations. I trust people based on their actions. I don't trust all Muslims, Jews, Christians, Atheists, etc. But I do trust some.... Again, I'm saying judge people by their character, not by their creed or race.
The debate on this thread shows the problem with 'multiculturalism.' It used to be that new Canadians puts their old world cultures behind them and adopted the Canadian culture. Yes, there was an identifiable Canadian culture then and it was the greatest culture the world has produced. Western culture treats it's women, children, minorities and animals better than any other culture in the history of mankind.
The leftists and liberals fed us the bullshit that all cultures are good and we have much to learn from them. Nonsense. We have nothing to learn from other cultures but they could learn much from the Canadian culture.
If certain cultures cannot for religious reasons put their old cultures behind and adopt our culture then they should not come here and we should not accept them.
The leftists and liberals fed us the bullshit that all cultures are good and we have much to learn from them. Nonsense. We have nothing to learn from other cultures but they could learn much from the Canadian culture.
If certain cultures cannot for religious reasons put their old cultures behind and adopt our culture then they should not come here and we should not accept them.
Well, I have to just shake my head at this sillyness.
I had originally intended to post a refutation of sorts, but there really seems to be little point in doing so when I see a lot of racially motivated half truths or outright false claims being thrown around as "fact". The only real truth is that there are certain individuals in this debate that have a bone to pick against Muslims and/or Islam, and nothing anyone says here is likely to sway them from that carefully nurtured hatred.
Instead, I'll just chip in a few observations of my own here as a Canadian-borne person of European ancestry who converted to Islam a few years back. Being caucasian, and neither dressing Middle Eastern nor possessing a big scragly beard, I manage to slip under the radar of bigoted individuals who would otherwise lable me as one of "Them" if they knew my religious beliefs.
It allows for a rather interesting perspective at times. I have had people go on at length about "those damn muslims" to my face on more than one occassion. I also have the intersting challenge of being a "minority" within the Muslim community, which tends to primarily drawn from both the Middle East and South-East Asia. Certainly becuase of that, they do not enjoy the same relative relative anonymity that I have, and a large portion of Muslims living in North America have emigrated from the US to Canada when the "tolerace" of Americans towards Muslims became rather strained in the post 9/11 world.
I would just caution those who point fingers while denouncing others, please remember there are four more pointing back at you...
I had originally intended to post a refutation of sorts, but there really seems to be little point in doing so when I see a lot of racially motivated half truths or outright false claims being thrown around as "fact". The only real truth is that there are certain individuals in this debate that have a bone to pick against Muslims and/or Islam, and nothing anyone says here is likely to sway them from that carefully nurtured hatred.
Instead, I'll just chip in a few observations of my own here as a Canadian-borne person of European ancestry who converted to Islam a few years back. Being caucasian, and neither dressing Middle Eastern nor possessing a big scragly beard, I manage to slip under the radar of bigoted individuals who would otherwise lable me as one of "Them" if they knew my religious beliefs.
It allows for a rather interesting perspective at times. I have had people go on at length about "those damn muslims" to my face on more than one occassion. I also have the intersting challenge of being a "minority" within the Muslim community, which tends to primarily drawn from both the Middle East and South-East Asia. Certainly becuase of that, they do not enjoy the same relative relative anonymity that I have, and a large portion of Muslims living in North America have emigrated from the US to Canada when the "tolerace" of Americans towards Muslims became rather strained in the post 9/11 world.
I would just caution those who point fingers while denouncing others, please remember there are four more pointing back at you...
Mormons believe all the rest of us are on the road to perdition. However, I've yet to see any Mormon suicide bombers, Mormons calling for death to the "Gentiles," Mormon's hijacking and flying planes into buildings, or Mormon Elders, Bishops, Apostles etc... condoning or even praising such (non-existent) conduct.Compromised said:
Two points, I hope that as much as you articulately stick up for your faith in the larger society as represented by TERB, that you also stick up for moderate Islam with those who espouse radical Islam or honor killings, or genital mutilation. This is my major point.Ariete said:
As to the second, it isn't as if the U.S. suddenly went "nuts" and decided hey lets not be so tolerant to Moslems today and for some weird reason that occurred in early September, 2001.
Both those facts you mentioned are correct. I never said that Muhammad attacked Constantinople. He did assemble the Mujadeen and launched an uunprovoked assault on Tabuk which would be in modern day Syria. As I understand, he got his ass kicked.Brownie69 said:
The point I tried to make, is that Islam was at war with the Byzantines for 800 years until they finally destroyed the empire.
hey ass*. lol , tell me how much taxes do you pay ? the people you are whining about are running the canadian economy now if they are not here you will be starving both for food and for your sex business , wake up and smell the cofee . lolJasmine Jazz said:
