After Iraq, Who's Next?
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Well it is about WMD ... no regime change yeah yeah that's it ... yes yes to free the poor Iraqi people from a bad bad oppressor ... who Rumsfeld visited in the 1980 to get a pipeline for Bechtel while they gassed the Iranians (no problems there), oh no no right! it is because they harbored terrorist who masterminded the WTC attack ... err did I get it straight?
Maybe I should ask the CEOs at Bechtel, Parsons and Halliburton who will be next, what will be the next modern Reichstag Fire that can be used to blind and manipulate the public.
OK so Saddam was evil and should have been taken out long ago! So should Kim Jong-il et al ... but it will only happen if it is in the US interest not for the sake of humanity.
hehehe ... as he stirs the pot
You sure showed those Iraqis after they viciously attacked America!papasmerf said:
Well it is about WMD ... no regime change yeah yeah that's it ... yes yes to free the poor Iraqi people from a bad bad oppressor ... who Rumsfeld visited in the 1980 to get a pipeline for Bechtel while they gassed the Iranians (no problems there), oh no no right! it is because they harbored terrorist who masterminded the WTC attack ... err did I get it straight?
Maybe I should ask the CEOs at Bechtel, Parsons and Halliburton who will be next, what will be the next modern Reichstag Fire that can be used to blind and manipulate the public.
OK so Saddam was evil and should have been taken out long ago! So should Kim Jong-il et al ... but it will only happen if it is in the US interest not for the sake of humanity.
hehehe ... as he stirs the pot
monkeylove,
Nice and easy to "stir the pot" from the comfortable confines of your freedom you enjoy in the west, isn't it?
Lest we forget.
Nice and easy to "stir the pot" from the comfortable confines of your freedom you enjoy in the west, isn't it?
Lest we forget.
Sure is! Isn't freedom of speech grand!thecoolguyms72 said:
Now you run along and save all the oppressed people of this world single handedly like the good Amnesty international guy that you are! For the sake of humanity! no not oil. We let them stay oppressed for over twenty years, but now we are HEROS!My hand over my heart I am soooo moved ... isn't emotionalism grand.
There are all kinds of potential targets....
Sadly, the Congo probably doesn't qualify for 'liberation.'
India and Pakistan could use some good old American/Christian values in getting their little issues straightend out. A nice 'line in the sand' through Kashmir...
China has weapons of mass destruction, and they're oppressive too! Just like Saddam, they have suppressed insurrection. If Tibet had oil, America might consider liberating them as well! Unfortunately, they're just too big to pick on, I guess.
Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship. But a good dictatorship! I mean, freedom of expression isn't exactly allowed, and there's rumors that the police there might use torture, but hey- they have loads of money.
Chávez in Venezuela is getting pretty hardline for an elected leader ... but, good news! Venezuela has oil reserves!
Palestine. If not a direct 'liberation', America should at least consider not vetoing UN resolutions intended to aide peace there. I truly hope that the US's recent proposed peace plan was actually something other than Iraq damage control.
Sudan, Libya. Both still listed as dictatorships in the CIA world fact book. Might be worth looking at, if Bush's intention is to use military spending to rev up the economy... If that's the plan, I sure hope it starts working soon...
I'm sure I've missed some. Of course, a cynic might be concerned that the worlds largest oil reserves might actually have attracted the current American attention, and not some kind of freedom loving sense of altruism.
Sadly, the Congo probably doesn't qualify for 'liberation.'
India and Pakistan could use some good old American/Christian values in getting their little issues straightend out. A nice 'line in the sand' through Kashmir...
China has weapons of mass destruction, and they're oppressive too! Just like Saddam, they have suppressed insurrection. If Tibet had oil, America might consider liberating them as well! Unfortunately, they're just too big to pick on, I guess.
Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship. But a good dictatorship! I mean, freedom of expression isn't exactly allowed, and there's rumors that the police there might use torture, but hey- they have loads of money.
Chávez in Venezuela is getting pretty hardline for an elected leader ... but, good news! Venezuela has oil reserves!
Palestine. If not a direct 'liberation', America should at least consider not vetoing UN resolutions intended to aide peace there. I truly hope that the US's recent proposed peace plan was actually something other than Iraq damage control.
Sudan, Libya. Both still listed as dictatorships in the CIA world fact book. Might be worth looking at, if Bush's intention is to use military spending to rev up the economy... If that's the plan, I sure hope it starts working soon...
I'm sure I've missed some. Of course, a cynic might be concerned that the worlds largest oil reserves might actually have attracted the current American attention, and not some kind of freedom loving sense of altruism.
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Other than the war on terrorism I think US troops will be quite for a while. The focus will and should move to pushing peace in Israel / Palestine. I do think the US can use this as a demonstration that a bully nation cannot hide behind a timid UN for safety.
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Other than the war on terrorism I think US troops will be quite for a while. The focus will and should move to pushing peace in Israel / Palestine. I do think the US can use this as a demonstration that a bully nation cannot hide behind a timid UN for safety.
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anotherhappy, I have to say I realize what frustrates a lot of Canadians..they simply have a naive view of the world and think foreign policy means do what is best for the world, your country be damned. Tough to respect national sovereigntry when you abdicate that power to a feckless UN. Well, it is possible for the US to act in its own self interest and in the process have that be a benefit for others. Believe it or not, it happens quite a few times. Idealogues don't understand how this happens.
I can only hope that the US does not slide further into quicksand in the Middle East. The governments there are real nervous. Going after Syria, which is the next target talked about, simply isn't part of the equation. We are stretched pretty thin with the 3rd and 4th ID plus the 101 airborne and a full ration of Marines in in Iraq. We certainly wouldn't want problems anywhere else in the world right now. We don't have the option of going into Syria...that would be a disaster and it doesn't take an arm chair quarterback to realize that. 400 miles of supply lines to protect through what will emerge as our own version of the West Bank in Iraq in the coming months. This President campaigned not wanting to become a nation builder. He hasn't disappointed us, we raped Afghanistan, and then went elsewhere before we finished with Bin Laden. I'm sure the Isrealis are real happy for us right about now. We've done their dirty work in the Mid East, for that matter we've done dirty work for a lot of the pious SOBs that call themselves humanitarians. I hope that we stay the course with Iraq, and not abandon them like Afghanistan...but then everyone has bailed out there. Outside Kabul, looks just like we were never there. Warlords and Burkas with repressed human rights rule.
We have a lot of work to do to be seen as an honest broker in Palestine. Nothing short of retreat to 67 borders is going to suffice. The Palestineans need contiguous borders to have a viable state. Not two territories separated by an Israeli controlled gateway. A President with real courage would stick it to the Israelis. The settlements have continued despite our objections and we've never penalized Israel for this. I really think moderate Arabs would take notice if we started being balanced in negotiations. I could solve the problem in a hurry. I would force a solution and drop the world famous Canadian peacekeepers in the middle. Since we couldn't use them to keep the Turks and the Kurds separated, I'm sure they could do yeoman duty in Palestine.
And I personally hope the French starve to death in post war planning. The UN can sweep floors for what all I care. Make Iraq a showcase for the Middle East..don't give the naysayers a chance to comment..just let them wallow in jealousy. That's our foothold to drain the swamp. If we fail there, it will be a long century of fruitless wars.
EBS
I can only hope that the US does not slide further into quicksand in the Middle East. The governments there are real nervous. Going after Syria, which is the next target talked about, simply isn't part of the equation. We are stretched pretty thin with the 3rd and 4th ID plus the 101 airborne and a full ration of Marines in in Iraq. We certainly wouldn't want problems anywhere else in the world right now. We don't have the option of going into Syria...that would be a disaster and it doesn't take an arm chair quarterback to realize that. 400 miles of supply lines to protect through what will emerge as our own version of the West Bank in Iraq in the coming months. This President campaigned not wanting to become a nation builder. He hasn't disappointed us, we raped Afghanistan, and then went elsewhere before we finished with Bin Laden. I'm sure the Isrealis are real happy for us right about now. We've done their dirty work in the Mid East, for that matter we've done dirty work for a lot of the pious SOBs that call themselves humanitarians. I hope that we stay the course with Iraq, and not abandon them like Afghanistan...but then everyone has bailed out there. Outside Kabul, looks just like we were never there. Warlords and Burkas with repressed human rights rule.
We have a lot of work to do to be seen as an honest broker in Palestine. Nothing short of retreat to 67 borders is going to suffice. The Palestineans need contiguous borders to have a viable state. Not two territories separated by an Israeli controlled gateway. A President with real courage would stick it to the Israelis. The settlements have continued despite our objections and we've never penalized Israel for this. I really think moderate Arabs would take notice if we started being balanced in negotiations. I could solve the problem in a hurry. I would force a solution and drop the world famous Canadian peacekeepers in the middle. Since we couldn't use them to keep the Turks and the Kurds separated, I'm sure they could do yeoman duty in Palestine.
And I personally hope the French starve to death in post war planning. The UN can sweep floors for what all I care. Make Iraq a showcase for the Middle East..don't give the naysayers a chance to comment..just let them wallow in jealousy. That's our foothold to drain the swamp. If we fail there, it will be a long century of fruitless wars.
EBS
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The US is streched. Thank you Bill, Hillery, trent and all the other democraps. They closed ROME, PLATSBURG,and created the necessary conditions for 9-11.
The question is can we stand aginst another attack????? Fuc*IN*-A -Right (just for you). We the people will form a malita as guarenteeied under the Constitution. GOD BLESS the USA.
DAMN did I spell somethig wrong????? Go ahead point it out.
The question is can we stand aginst another attack????? Fuc*IN*-A -Right (just for you). We the people will form a malita as guarenteeied under the Constitution. GOD BLESS the USA.
DAMN did I spell somethig wrong????? Go ahead point it out.
hopefully the USA can liberate the canadian people from the years of liberal governments here in canada......i am sooo sick of the bleeding heart mentality of this country.........and there is no leader forthcoming that has the guts to stand up.....develop a platform....and turn this sinking ship around here in canada
george bush...can you hear me????........help save the damn stupid canadians from themselves
george bush...can you hear me????........help save the damn stupid canadians from themselves
Finally someone who is talking some sense
Foreign policy is made in the interest of that country, and there is nothing wrong with that. The UN has always been a negotiating table of favor trading. And now that there are no real players with real power left to trade with, it is in the US interest that they walk away from the UN.
Human nature will always be human nature. Look out for #1 and one can only be philanthropic with excess.
I would respect the US leadership if they said that it is in the American interest to invade Iraq. That a drop in the price of oil will boost the economy at a time when there is little room left to drop interest rates. In fact if the US were to go into depression it will be worse for the world than an attack on Iraq. And an added bonus is that we get rid of Sodomy Insane. FINE!!! The US must do what is in the US’ interest, as France must do what is in the French interest, as they most certainly do ( they are envious “want to be Americans” ). Let's just not try and snowball Joe public with bullshit altruistic talk and scaaary WMD. Educate him that he will loose his SUV and that gas prices will hit US$5 a gallon and he will most certainly be 100% behind this war. Not only that tell him that he or his kids will loose their jobs to cheap Chinese (the up and coming Japan) goods unless Chinese industrial advancement can be monitored by control of their access to oil.E_B_Samaritano said:
Foreign policy is made in the interest of that country, and there is nothing wrong with that. The UN has always been a negotiating table of favor trading. And now that there are no real players with real power left to trade with, it is in the US interest that they walk away from the UN.
Human nature will always be human nature. Look out for #1 and one can only be philanthropic with excess.
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E_B_Samaritano said:
How does it benefit others when you replace thier bloody tyrant with your bloody tryrant.
Look to the history of regime change. Was there there any exampleh in recent history where there was a positive change for?
Think about Iran, Iraq - how did Sudam Husein get to power, Chile, Gatemala, Grenada & Haiti
I am going to be honest with you guelph, You are right there has been failure after failure with regime changes. One problem I have see is dicatator after dictator is placed in power. I know the world deplores free elections but they are the best hope.guelph said:
Set up a chaterof rights or constitution and define terms and powers. No system is perfect and yes there are flaws in al of them. BUT when you can freely elect officials you have achance to prosper.
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I think the stakes are very high on this, the US knows that it has to get it right, not just for the Iraqi people (although that would be reason enough) but because the rest of the Arab world is watching. If we do right by Iraq and push Israel into a just settlement with the Palestinians our stock could go up in this part of the world.
As the Chinese curse goes, may you live in interesting times.
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Germany, Japan?guelph said:
I think the stakes are very high on this, the US knows that it has to get it right, not just for the Iraqi people (although that would be reason enough) but because the rest of the Arab world is watching. If we do right by Iraq and push Israel into a just settlement with the Palestinians our stock could go up in this part of the world.
As the Chinese curse goes, may you live in interesting times.
OTB
