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Mr Deeds

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You didn't provide any actual measures that can be taken by parents to stop a screaming child from screaming on an airplane.
if a child hasn't been taught to respect others by the time they're a certain age its probably too late
 
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I tend to avoid family restos for dinner, lunch works. I went to Swiss Chalet for lunch today, no brat action.
If you go to the Old Spaghetti Factory on a weekend deal with it.
 

John Wick

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if a child hasn't been taught to respect others by the time they're a certain age its probably too late
Screaming children on planes, at least in my experience, are typically never older than two. How do you teach a two year old to respect others such that they are contextually and situationally aware enough to control themselves?
 

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""I would definitely eat there, I don't hate kids, I just dislike parents who refuse to parent," one person wrote."

This. It's not the kids fault. It's the parent's fault for indulging their kids to such and extent that the kids are not socially aware.

Do Not Let Your Children Do Anything That Makes You Dislike Them

If restaurants want to brand themselves as no kids allowed, they should be allowed. The marketplace will then decide if it's acceptable or not.
 
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Mr Deeds

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Screaming children on planes, at least in my experience, are typically never older than two. How do you teach a two year old to respect others such that they are contextually and situationally aware enough to control themselves?
I agree, but it's been my experience that even at that age they can be made to understand. And as long as you keep them fed and entertained they're not too much trouble. Or the the parent can do what my mother did and gring up half a Valium in some juic😞
 
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What, if anything, can actually be done about it? What do you propose a parent should do to eradicate this disturbing behaviour?
I don't have kids, therefore am not a parent. Not my problem to solve. However, explaining early and every time that shrieking for no reason is unacceptable behavior may result in positive results. Kids do have intelligence. I see kids screaming and misbehaving deliberately, as they look over at mom or dad for a reaction and get none, so they continue. That I have an issue with.

Also, parents who know their kids misbehave, yet bring them to a nice restaurant or a movie anyway, so the rest of us can suffer too. Hire a freaking babysitter!!! Movies have become a terrible experience, as too many people do not know how to behave in public anymore.
 
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I don't have kids, therefore am not a parent. Not my problem to solve. However, explaining early and every time that shrieking for no reason is unacceptable behavior may result in positive results. Kids do have intelligence. I see kids screaming and misbehaving deliberately, as they look over at mom or dad for a reaction and get none, so they continue. That I have an issue with.

Also, parents who know their kids misbehave, yet bring them to a nice restaurant or a movie anyway, so the rest of us can suffer too. Hire a freaking babysitter!!! Movies have become a terrible experience, as too many people do not know how to behave in public anymore.
Oh I’m that bitch at the movies. I see your phone on, I’m asking you firmly but politely to turn it off loud enough for the room to hear. I don’t give fuck. I pay to be there and deserve the rules to be followed so I can enjoy my movie. Have an emergency, you look quick and take it outside - great! I see you scrolling twitter - it’s on.

Kids and parental neglect on their behaviour - I personally stay away from because you know the parent doesn’t care already. Which is why I am willing to pay extra for child-less environments.
 
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John Wick

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I agree, but it's been my experience that even at that age they can be made to understand. And as long as you keep them fed and entertained they're not too much trouble. Or the the parent can do what my mother did and gring up half a Valium in some juic😞
So you're saying that you were in fact that unruly kid screaming on a plane who's parents couldn't control your behaviour in any other manner than to secretly drug you. Just so I'm clear.

...and out of divine curiosity, I just have to ask, in your experience how exactly was it that you were able to make unruly children of 2yrs old understand that their bad behavior was socially unacceptable. Every parent of a toddler will want to hear THAT secret formula I'm sure. Unless it was grounded in behavior modification through corporal punishment perhaps? Oh Lord, are we going to open that Pandora's box now?
 
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Mr Deeds

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So you're saying that you were in fact that unruly kid screaming on a plane who's parents couldn't control your behaviour in any other manner than to secretly drug you. Just so I'm clear.

...and out of divine curiosity, I just have to ask, in your experience how exactly was it that you were able to make unruly children of 2yrs old understand that their bad behavior was socially unacceptable. Every parent of a toddler will want to hear THAT secret formula I'm sure. Unless it was grounded in behavior modification through corporal punishment perhaps? Oh Lord, are we going to open that Pandora's box now?
Tough to remember what I was when I was a toddler and it was the late fifties so corporal punishment was the norm, something I did not do with my kids but there was always the threat. Also the Valium part was a joke. All I can tell you is my kids never screamed, ran around bothering people and if they did I would have removed them to a place where they weren't bothering anyone till they stopped. BTW you never mentioned if you had kid or not
 

John Wick

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Tough to remember what I was when I was a toddler and it was the late fifties so corporal punishment was the norm, something I did not do with my kids but there was always the threat. Also the Valium part was a joke. All I can tell you is my kids never screamed, ran around bothering people and if they did I would have removed them to a place where they weren't bothering anyone till they stopped. BTW you never mentioned if you had kid or not
I have seven children, all girls, all very well-behaved at home and in public. But it did take them some time to get there, all of them settled down around 4-5 years old. At 2-3 years old though, they were like all children that age and prone to intemperate behaviour often at the most inconvenient times. Like all parents we did our best to curb it, but also looked to the adults around us to act like adults and extend some patience and understanding. Not act like selfish, whiny little entitled bitches. Children are not a new thing on this planet. Some adults need to get over themselves and grow the fuck up. (not saying you, just in general)
 
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y2kmark

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There should be a separate section for parents with unruly kids.
They can do whatever they like and not bother the other paying guests who want to enjoy a nice quiet dinner.
Doesn't address the cleanup issue, which is why they originated the restriction.
 
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