Am I changing or is the industry changing?

[kherg007]

It comes with an Australian accent right?

Fair dinkum strewth!

Down under now and for another week or two. Just fly on down, and when you arrive tell Australian customs you want a thorough kitty and arse eating and you're looking for kherg. They'll let you in and give you a map to my place.

Lol

 

[HungSowel]

I think the desire to pay SPs for a regular date was always there, it is just less stigmatized now.

 

[Josephine]

It comes with an Australian accent right?

Lol and 2 or 3 roos jumping around

 

[kherg007]

Lol and 2 or 3 roos jumping around

Don't forget the wombats...

 

[star003]

W hen I first started working as a lady of the night, rates were low, there were so many agencies and everyone was booked and busy. We had a very popular website to advertise that was known in the US and in Canada. I assume this was making things easier for American tourists coming here to meet ladies.

Things were easy, simple and booking same day was the norm. People weren’t really asking for screening because you just didn’t have time. It was the fast food era of escorting. You could call a woman like you’d call a pizza place, in less than an hour, she’d be there.

I remember people contacting me for 15 mins dates. I remember the person managing my ads accepting those calls even though I absolutely hated them.

After BP died, everything changed. Then COVID happened and really confirmed it was a new era. Women are shifting towards online services and never coming back. Agencies still exist but a lot of them are now incall only. Rates? Oh rates, they went up and it seems like it’s the longest discussion ever. Simply never ending…

Booking same day? Almost a thing of the past, even agencies now won’t be able to accommodate your last minute impulse. That girl that you’ve been drooling over for days, she’s most likely going to be busy and there won’t be anyone similar looking to replace her. Girls just aren’t applying to agencies as much as they used to do there is definitely less “supply” and more demands

Men are now booking us for more than a little quickie and a cig. They want to go on dates with us. I know this is a foreign concept to a lot of you but yes, men do want to take us golfing, dining, travelling and more.

So yes, things are changing whether you like it or not. There are now more than just one way to spend a session with a provider and you are going to see more people advertising alternatives.

I like it, I like fun dates, I like the ability to have a temporary boyfriend without all the negative aspects. I don’t have to cook for anyone, he doesn’t have to find my hair in the shower, we don’t need to have the awkward talk about how we’re going to split the household bills.

Always do what you want without feeling forced to fit into a mold

What do you like about this new era? No need to say what you don’t like, there’s at least one “it was better before” thread per week. Let’s be positive for once



TLDR: BP being gone, COVID happening, online services booming and men discovering they can pay for more than a quickie has brought a significant change in the industry. What do you like the most about it?

BP: Popular classified ad website that was raided by the FBI mid 2010s

it all depends on the client base you cater to. when you up your rates, you basically filter out that section of the crowd which wants a quickie for few bucks. the crowd which is driven by instant impulse but don’t have too much throw away cash and on tight budget. now you cater to the segment which has money to spend on their desires that they didn’t receive from their SO despite spending millions often. this section was there before as well, just that you were not catering to them before.
I am sure there girls who are charging in 1000s and there’s audience for that too who take them for trips to different countries, private islands, private jet. this audience doesn’t go on BP, LL or these agencies on terb. Ocean is so vast and we think our swimming pool big.

 

[BillC69]

it all depends on the client base you cater to. when you up your rates, you basically filter out that section of the crowd which wants a quickie for few bucks. the crowd which is driven by instant impulse but don’t have too much throw away cash and on tight budget. now you cater to the segment which has money to spend on their desires that they didn’t receive from their SO despite spending millions often. this section was there before as well, just that you were not catering to them before.
I am sure there girls who are charging in 1000s and there’s audience for that too who take them for trips to different countries, private islands, private jet. this audience doesn’t go on BP, LL or these agencies on terb. Ocean is so vast and we think our swimming pool big.

Well said, been in this hobby for over 1 decade, never asked one lady on a date, it cost $3000 a day FFS. I'm not a millionaire drug lord.

But there's definitely a key change during COVID, when Asian providers increased their rates - Asian agencies increased their rate from $160 to $220 hh, some even start to charge $600 an hour. Same for the Asians spas, touch their tits a little bit, they want $200. That's when I stopped using them, because my salary just didn't keep up.

Nowadays I only use agencies like DD, SFT and TDL, that offer affordable prices, still I find their tiers and prices ridiculous, eg a girl that used to work at TDL for $160hh now wants $290hh at DD, and I'm not gonna spend $400 to see a middle eastern princess that's really an Indian.

 

[coolmanfever]

Only major change beside increased hourly rate is that less college girls or young girl in twenties work for agency and move to sugar baby or webcams or onlyfan

older men who own assets that inflated after covid significantly do not mind paying big $ for longer and quality date with young sp or sugar baby.

Younger men struggle to save big $ to spend on girl resort to onlyfan or webcam girls.

Also because there is such bigger gap of rich and poor now vs before and social media influences , more gold diggers out there so harder for men to find good wholesome girl to settle down with so many men just say fuck it and resort to pay for play type of relationship.

 

[scourge]

Things change.

The only constant is change.

 

[star003]

Well said, been in this hobby for over 1 decade, never asked one lady on a date, it cost $3000 a day FFS. I'm not a millionaire drug lord.

But there's definitely a key change during COVID, when Asian providers increased their rates - Asian agencies increased their rate from $160 to $220 hh, some even start to charge $600 an hour. Same for the Asians spas, touch their tits a little bit, they want $200. That's when I stopped using them, because my salary just didn't keep up.

Nowadays I only use agencies like DD, SFT and TDL, that offer affordable prices, still I find their tiers and prices ridiculous, eg a girl that used to work at TDL for $160hh now wants $290hh at DD, and I'm not gonna spend $400 to see a middle eastern princess that's really an Indian.

be it agency of individual, they are free to decide their price but there should be someone providing services to every segment of the society. if DD, HPL, TDL they all want to cater to the high networth clients then there should be some new agencies filling the spot with some new faces who can offer budget deals. it’s just like the airlines, economy, premium economy, business class.

 

[Patron]

I trade stocks every day the market is open, so I need to stay informed about both domestic and global economic developments. Over the past five years, nearly every kind of financial transaction has changed significantly, largely due to the effects of COVID and the economic policies Trump. We've seen accumulated inflation rise to around 20–25%, compared to less than 5% over typical five-year spans before.
In previous years, incomes steadily increased, and job opportunities were more plentiful. That’s no longer the case. For consumers, prices were far more affordable back then, and there were more options available. When it comes to service providers, those who are already established with a loyal client base have been able to continue operating. But for part-time SPs those who might have only worked one or two days a week, it’s no longer worth waiting around for calls that may never come.
There's also much less cash circulating under the table. Bars and restaurants are now required to use Point‑of‑Sale (POS) systems that track every order, even before it reaches your table. The government has tightened enforcement, especially in places like flea markets that used to be hubs for tax-free cash transactions. Many businesses have had to adapt to this new level of oversight.
If you’re seeing men book longer appointments rather than just quick visits, it’s likely because they’re older and financially stable enough to afford the extended time. On the other hand, you may be seeing fewer men in the 35–50 age range booking standard one-hour sessions.

The industry does a particularly shitty job of marketing to guys under 35 whose income might be the lowest of all. And it is an industry that gets long-term customer loyalty, which means their should be interest in building loyalty.

 

[massman]

Maybe I’m the exception, but from a client POV, I haven’t noted a lot of change. Most notable changes have been the switch from agencies being almost all outcall, to now all have incalls which make up a huge portion of their business. I think there is a much greater number of independent escorts, many of whom are absolutely amazing. Regarding prices, I think that for a long time, they actually lagged behind inflation, and then just caught up with the post pandemic increase in inflation. Cost of most services now pretty much are similar to what they were in the early 2000s, accounting for inflation (think of how much gas, housing, food has gone up in that time). Now probably gone are the days where you could go to a bargain basement AMP and get a 20-30 min massage and release for $30-40. The other thing that has changed is the proliferation of SP level services at many MPs, which was pretty much unheard of (certainly not discussed) 1-2 decades ago. This is a change I personally don’t favour. If I am choosing to got to an MP, I want a good massage /BS and a nice release, not to feel pressured to give in to the upsell to more services. If I want FS, I book a SP.

@LC18 as you are from MTL, there may be bigger changes. I haven’t been involved in the scene there since pre pandemic, but for the longest time the agency scene was totally outcall, no incall options at all. Prices were also very low compared to TO (often 30% less, if not more), and my sense is that gap has closed somewhat.

 

[SamanthaJones69]

Feel you on this one. Before, you could do just SP work. Enjoy the days to yourself and work in the evening. Now, I feel the need to do webcam, Onlyfans, porn gigs in between. It's a lot, but realistically, my goals are also higher too. Not just inflation. This is why community is so important! I've also found balance in having a caring, understanding partner as well. Which I used to think 'got in the way,' but now that we've found our groove, helps recharge me in between, not to mention growing as a person, which, in turn, I feel does really come through in my service work. Oh, and another main kicker, would be my industry focused mentorship program that I took- an absolute game changer. Wishing you all the best, and I'm always here for any ladies that wanna talk. <3<3

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Economist : SP demand to decrease, inflation expected to increase. The whole world economy is changing.

 

[JayRoam]

Japan has a negative birth rate for reasons like this. The countries that have arranged marriages with non dating cultures like India have huge populations and population growth.
In the GTA, so many young Indian families are present in contrast to the locals who have a negative population growth. The SB phenomenon is a contributing factor or at least a symptom of the times.
How will Canada look in a generation as there seems to be a replacement occurring?

I would say it's a symptom not the cause. The cause of declining birth rates in both Japan and Canada is affordability. Raising children is just too expensive. In Japan the govt is subsidizing people to have kids (but not enough that it's working). For those South Asian families in GTA, you can be sure that thier second generation won't bother to have kids because they'll see their parents nearly bankrupt from the process. For young people, they will not be able to afford a house so why bother with kids. Having raised two kids myself, I can tell you, it's expensive! In addition, I got divorced and had to pay support for 13 years as well. So paying $300-400 for no-committment sex is cheaper and easier compared to marriage or dating for me. Canada's future is surely brown. You can thank capaitalism for any replacement. Anyone who gives a shit about replacement should be a socialist.

I personally think that's a good thing. I can't wait for more south asian and middle eastern escorts on the market.

 

[superman12]

W hen I first started working as a lady of the night, rates were low, there were so many agencies and everyone was booked and busy. We had a very popular website to advertise that was known in the US and in Canada. I assume this was making things easier for American tourists coming here to meet ladies.

Things were easy, simple and booking same day was the norm. People weren’t really asking for screening because you just didn’t have time. It was the fast food era of escorting. You could call a woman like you’d call a pizza place, in less than an hour, she’d be there.

I remember people contacting me for 15 mins dates. I remember the person managing my ads accepting those calls even though I absolutely hated them.

After BP died, everything changed. Then COVID happened and really confirmed it was a new era. Women are shifting towards online services and never coming back. Agencies still exist but a lot of them are now incall only. Rates? Oh rates, they went up and it seems like it’s the longest discussion ever. Simply never ending…

Booking same day? Almost a thing of the past, even agencies now won’t be able to accommodate your last minute impulse. That girl that you’ve been drooling over for days, she’s most likely going to be busy and there won’t be anyone similar looking to replace her. Girls just aren’t applying to agencies as much as they used to do there is definitely less “supply” and more demands

Men are now booking us for more than a little quickie and a cig. They want to go on dates with us. I know this is a foreign concept to a lot of you but yes, men do want to take us golfing, dining, travelling and more.

So yes, things are changing whether you like it or not. There are now more than just one way to spend a session with a provider and you are going to see more people advertising alternatives.

I like it, I like fun dates, I like the ability to have a temporary boyfriend without all the negative aspects. I don’t have to cook for anyone, he doesn’t have to find my hair in the shower, we don’t need to have the awkward talk about how we’re going to split the household bills.

Always do what you want without feeling forced to fit into a mold

What do you like about this new era? No need to say what you don’t like, there’s at least one “it was better before” thread per week. Let’s be positive for once



TLDR: BP being gone, COVID happening, online services booming and men discovering they can pay for more than a quickie has brought a significant change in the industry. What do you like the most about it?

BP: Popular classified ad website that was raided by the FBI mid 2010s

One thing I like about this new era is that more and more sp's are willing to try new things besides a typical incall/outcall scenerio. I find that more ladies are accommodating to specific fantasies I have that may include being outdoors or in semi public places and being naughty even on first dates. Back in the day that was probably not even a remote possibility. It might be because there finding it harder to not only attract new clients but to keep the good ones coming back so there more willing to fulfill fantasies that may extend beyond 4 walls of a bedroom

 

[nerdnerd]

I remember people contacting me for 15 mins dates. I remember the person managing my ads accepting those calls even though I absolutely hated them.
...
Booking same day?

I've been around this world for three decades. (I remember Lyla's List, and I even met Joy a few times)
I've always been astonished that anyone would do 15min dates. Either way.
I want longer dates.

I don't understand the obsession with doing it all by SMS. SMS is so very non-private... they are cleartext at the phone company even, and why would any client want their phone and address book full of that? Web Email systems are ubiquitous, and much more private. If you need it on your phone, Android phones even support multiple personalities/accounts. I use that, but mostly, I use a hidden profile for firefox (now librewolf). But, maybe 20% of SPs have emails, and of those, half don't answer the emails.

I need to prebook: my schedule is very busy. Before pandenmic, I did 10-15hours/week of online meetings in four time zones, and now it's 25h/week in eight time zones. If I'm gonna have two hours to visit someone, plus travel to/from, and plausible excuse to both family and business people as to why I'm unavailable {remember: many can see my calendar, even if only free/busy info}, then I need to fill the calendar. So I am often trying to prebook two weeks in advance. Happy to put down deposits for people I trust. Happy to confirm multiple times. But, I've had to force myself to never book with certain people I got along great with because they would not answer confirmations, and then would "cancel" at the last moment. Okay, once it was a root canal, and another time, got stuck in a snow storm driving back from a chalet at the last minute. I quote cancel, because actually the cancellation occured two days after.
(Once, I showed up for an appointment that I thought was confirmed, only I was supposed to know that when the second confirmation, the day before, was not answered, that it was off. But, I showed up, knocked loudly, and pissed everyone off. Apparently, I was bumped for another. Bad on me)

 

[nerdnerd]

It may also be a newer generation of blokes who haven't dated. To chat up a lovely lady is terrifying to them. They have to do it through instagram or whatever. Thus, to go straight to the pro and into the 1-3 hour relationship, skipping over the stressful fear of rejection part, may better suit them.

I have a 20 yr old son who has never dated. I think he's still traumatized by a girl who broke up with him in grade 6 by rumour. And pandemic. In his peer group, maybe one has a relationship. I think arranged marriages and matchmakers will be back in 10 years. I have considered "sponsoring" him with a pro. I think I'd have liked that, but I don't think it's for him. Shades of Tyrion.

 

[nerdnerd]

I trade stocks every day the market is open,

At one point, 20 years ago, I wrote some scripts to troll a few escorting sites that served the bay area. I wondered if I could predict tech stock movements by escort availability and prices.
I hypothesis that ladies who are very busy don't bother to advertise. Stress from overwork, but imminent product release (and option bonuses) would mean more money flowing from tech workers. The hypothesis is untested because the data was too noisy.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

No one can predict the future with certainty, at best, we make informed guesses. My outlook for the short to medium term is less optimistic than the pre-2020 era. We've endured a global pandemic and are now dealing with the aftermath of what I call the "Trump plague."
When it comes to the stock market, some people trade purely on speculation. I prefer calculated probability. The uncertainty ahead will likely fuel market volatility, and with that comes opportunity.
For SPs, especially those managing to stay busy in these tough times, it would be unwise to grow complacent. Relying solely on existing clients or cutting back on advertising could be a costly mistake. Even giants like McDonald’s and Coca-Cola continue to advertise at full throttle, even when they dominate the market.

As for tech stocks, their performance will ultimately depend on the value they bring, the efficiency and solutions their products or services offer to customers. I suspect the reason there are less SPs available today is because agencies are at full capacity with fewer SPs. There are less car buyers, people are spending less on luxuries. I suspect many hobbyist have cut back or cut out SP visits.