American Idol Rocker Dude

[Spode]

Simon is so embarrassed for her....

This is perhaps the most astute observation of the season. Have you noticed the change in Simon's demeanor recently over the past 3 or 4 shows. I think he is absolutely embarrassed for her. And the reason that Randy doesnt show it as much is that he goes before her. Something is definitely wrong with her. Is she overdoing how great EVERYONE is or am I just an asshole who thinks half suck.

PS Who is Janice Dickinson? I know the model show with Tyra Banks but don;t know if its the same. Anyway there is a judge there (actually 3 or 4 including Tyra) who is absolutely the Devil. Not just because she is mean but because I see it in her eyes. She reminds me of Kyla. What is her name if not Janice.

 

[the rusty tromb]

PS Who is Janice Dickinson? I know the model show with Tyra Banks but don;t know if its the same. Anyway there is a judge there (actually 3 or 4 including Tyra) who is absolutely the Devil. Not just because she is mean but because I see it in her eyes. She reminds me of Kyla. What is her name if not Janice.

She's the milfish looking white woman who always embarasses the girls with her harsh observations about how poorly they are doing. She's quite entertaining.

Paula should really be in rehab getting help for her pain killer addiction.

 

[Spode]

She's the milfish looking white woman who always embarasses the girls with her harsh observations about how poorly they are doing. She's quite entertaining.

Paula should really be in rehab getting help for her pain killer addiction.

Yup just found her on the web. I luuuuuuuvvvv her. She's so mean spirited and by the way being the devil has its perks. She's right up my alley.

Paula on the other hand could execute members of the audience and I could care less because I think we all agree she is candy and that's all. I get's my schadenfreude's (sp?) watching her demise. SIMON IS DA BOMB.

 

[homonger]

I think JL pretty much nailed the person by person synopsis, but you know me, I can't help but add my four cents...

Constantine - Good grief, can we break out the butter knife and slice up that Velveeta? 'Nights on Broadway' is actually one of my favorite Bee Gees songs, and this guy just totally cheesed it up. It's almost as if this guy has become a parody of himself with how much he can ham it up every week. Randy nailed it... this was a Vegas lounge performance, right down to the white jacket and five o'clock shadow. He will continue to get votes, of course.

Carrie - I love this girl, and I thought she sang 'MacArthur Park' pretty well. I thought Simon was dead on with his style comments. Carrie is a pretty young girl, and she should start using her attractiveness as an asset. And while we are on the subject, what the hell is this song about? I mean, really? I know it is about a cake in the rain and how I'll never have the recipe again and all, but what does it mean? Is there some deep allegory or symbolism here that I'm just missing? This song is just strange.

Scott - As much as I hate to say it, fat boy did a real good job with 'Everlasting Love'. It is not a song I particularly care for, but he sang it well. I think he will last another week, and as much as I hate fatso, he has not sung himself out of the competition in the last few weeks.

Anthony - I know I'm getting repetitious here, but Anthony somehow manages to make himself gayer and gayer every week. If you are going to pick a song by the immortal group, Tavares, at least pick one that was actually popular. Like 'Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel', for instance. Lousy song aside, I thought he sang it fine.

Vonzell - She looked great, as always, and I thought she turned in a credible performance of a tough song, 'I'm Every Woman'. She is definitely a terrific performer, and I think she is good for another week.

Anwar - I dunno, tackle a song by EWF and then wimp out on the falsetto part? 'September' is a great song, and I was anticipating how Anwar would handle the chorus... he didn't. He let the back up singers do the high part. He's no Philip Bailey, that's for sure. The performance was okay, but left me a little disappointed.

Bo - Never in a million years did I ever think I would hear a fairly obscure early 70's rock song performed on AI, and I don't know how Bo managed to sneak 'Vehicle' by the song selection committee as a "70's dance song". But he did, and he rocked. His voice was perfect for the song, and it was an excellent performance.

And btw, props for the AI house band. They nailed the horns on both the EWF and Ides of March song.

Tomorrow, I can't see anyone going other than Anthony. The fat fuck seems to be building momentum, and Anthony just doesn't seem to be getting demonstrably better.

 

[Spode]

I think JL pretty much nailed the person by person synopsis, but you know me, I can't help but add my four cents...

Constantine - Good grief, can we break out the butter knife and slice up that Velveeta? 'Nights on Broadway' is actually one of my favorite Bee Gees songs, and this guy just totally cheesed it up. It's almost as if this guy has become a parody of himself with how much he can ham it up every week. Randy nailed it... this was a Vegas lounge performance, right down to the white jacket and five o'clock shadow. He will continue to get votes, of course.

Notice the eyeliner?

And tell me how many times Bo will get laid tonight after that performance. Reminds me of Blood, Sweat and Tears.

 

[Bud Plug]

Now I know that this board is filled with predominantly anti-pop personalities, as am I, and this guy is against everything the pop culture stands for...except being on Idol of Course. Anyway the performance sent chills up my neck. I recommend getting an MP3 of it the vocals were better than anything Greg Allman could ever hope for. (I hope Greg was the singer in the band)

While I agree that Bice is easier to stomach that the other wanna-be lounge singers on that show, he doesn't deserve the accolades you're giving him.

He has long hair, but he is far from the "real deal". No real rocker would be caught dead on this show. In addition, although he favours the rock songs, he delivers them in watered down,"nice-ified" performances.

Rock fans love that music because the emotion that's in it feels (and usually is) genuine. That's why you don't need a great voice to be a great rock singer. The wonderful thing about the human voice is that it can be far more expressive than any other musical instrument. Trained singers try to tame the eccentricities and character out of their voice in favour of accurate pitch and consistent tone. While I can respect the discipline it takes to accomplish this, I find the performance that results from this approach to be boring. If I wanted consistency, no surprises, and good tone I'd put on a Kenny Gee CD!

The only differences between Bice and his competitors are: 1) the length of his hair, and 2) his preference in material. His delivery is the same impersonal, overly tailored crap that the other singers put out.

Why waste your time waiting for the next American Idol to be crowned? Go to any live music club in the city and you'll see and hear something far more entertaining.

 

[wildchilds]

Who's worse? Paula Abdul of AI or Sass Jordan of Canadian Idol?

I say Sass is by far worse as a judge.

Both make me puke, but give the edge to Paula, because at least Sass will speak truth and tell the singer, that they are not that good.

Randy just makes me cringe when he opens his mouth, a black man who is giving us his version of a black man immatating a white man doing a black man immatation

 

[Spode]

While I agree that Bice is easier to stomach that the other wanna-be lounge singers on that show, he doesn't deserve the accolades you're giving him.

He has long hair, but he is far from the "real deal". No real rocker would be caught dead on this show. In addition, although he favours the rock songs, he delivers them in watered down,"nice-ified" performances.

Rock fans love that music because the emotion that's in it feels (and usually is) genuine. That's why you don't need a great voice to be a great rock singer. The wonderful thing about the human voice is that it can be far more expressive than any other musical instrument. Trained singers try to tame the eccentricities and character out of their voice in favour of accurate pitch and consistent tone. While I can respect the discipline it takes to accomplish this, I find the performance that results from this approach to be boring. If I wanted consistency, no surprises, and good tone I'd put on a Kenny Gee CD!

The only differences between Bice and his competitors are: 1) the length of his hair, and 2) his preference in material. His delivery is the same impersonal, overly tailored crap that the other singers put out.

Why waste your time waiting for the next American Idol to be crowned? Go to any live music club in the city and you'll see and hear something far more entertaining.

I hear ya BudPlug. I have to disagree with your analysis on Bice. I also have to disagree with the quality of vocal ability not having to do with a good song if thats what you were implying. The only thing I can really say is that the two of us are different people with different taste. I like American Idol and Bo Bice. PS I watch a total of 3 hours of tv a week other than sports and Idol takes up only 2 of it. I couldn't really care about the last show, I just like to hear people sing and be critical, which Idol is perfect for. Take care and thanks for the input

 

[erectus]

Spode, I will put my two cents in and have to say that my wife and I both like BO. What the producers of the show have done by upping the age limit is give the show somewhat of a new dimension.
It appeared that what the show was producing in the last few years were lounge singers and do we really need any more. Honestly I would love to see a rocker win. Any guy that can do Black Crowes gets my vote..

 

[Spode]

Spode, I will put my two cents in and have to say that my wife and I both like BO. What the producers of the show have done by upping the age limit is give the show somewhat of a new dimension.
It appeared that what the show was producing in the last few years were lounge singers and do we really need any more. Honestly I would love to see a rocker win. Any guy that can do Black Crowes gets my vote..

I think if he did "Sometime Salvation" it would blow my mind.

 

[DenWa]

Rock fans love that music because the emotion that's in it feels (and usually is) genuine. That's why you don't need a great voice to be a great rock singer. The wonderful thing about the human voice is that it can be far more expressive than any other musical instrument. Trained singers try to tame the eccentricities and character out of their voice in favour of accurate pitch and consistent tone. While I can respect the discipline it takes to accomplish this, I find the performance that results from this approach to be boring. If I wanted consistency, no surprises, and good tone I'd put on a Kenny Gee CD!

You're a fool who is trying to sound smart. Yes, there is something cool about a rocker with a gravel-laced voice who doesn't seem to care about technique in favor of some kick ass rock. But for every Iggy Pop there was a Freddy Mercury - to claim he wasn't a rocker because he had a trained opera voice is ricidulous. Maynard from Tool studied at fucking Juliard...to compare him to Kenny G is both asinine and ignorant. Don't be a musical snob who thinks something has to sound like shit to be good. That school of thought is why we haven't heard a decent guitar solo in years. Thank God for Velvet Revolver.

For the record, I would love to hear Bo Bice sing Mississippi Queen...the song seems like it was written for him.

DW

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Hi DenWa.

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Can I bang your wife, DenWa? Please?

I'll only use the tip of my cock so I don't "ruin" her for you....or I could just do anal on her...

 

[erectus]

For the record, I would love to hear Bo Bice sing Mississippi Queen...the song seems like it was written for him.

DW

Now there would be a rocking show..LOL good choice

 

[Bud Plug]

You're a fool who is trying to sound smart.

The biggest difference between us is you certainly aren't trying to sound smart. (I normally wouldn't respond to stuff like this, but you were determined to lead with your ass.)

But for every Iggy Pop there was a Freddy Mercury - to claim he wasn't a rocker because he had a trained opera voice is ricidulous. Maynard from Tool studied at fucking Juliard...to compare him to Kenny G is both asinine and ignorant.

Freddy Mercury was not exclusively a rock singer. Freddy Mercury could rock and did on some Queen songs. He certainly did not rock on the Millionaire Waltz or Love of My Life. When Freddy rocked, he sang freely and allowed emotion to infuse his voice (often at the expense of pitch or tone). In other words, Freddy knew how to abandon his vocal training where that was appropriate to the song. To paint an ugly picture, you've got to use some ugly colours.

Bo Bice is no Freddy Mercury! A great example was his performance of Free Bird. His vocal delivery was stilted and wooden. It couldn't hold a candle to the original, although the singing in Lynyrd Skynyrd could hardly be held up as rock's best. His performance reminds of "impersonator" rockers like tribute bands and Beatlemania. It's a caricature of the real thing.

Don't be a musical snob who thinks something has to sound like shit to be good. That school of thought is why we haven't heard a decent guitar solo in years. Thank God for Velvet Revolver.DW

You're one of those people who read something, get upset, and then lose track of what was actually written. I had nothing to say about playing and performing on instruments, composition, or production. I only wrote about rock vocals and in particular about whether Bo Bice is "a rocker". Playing an instrument is always a technical process, no matter what you want it to sound like. I enjoy instrumentation that is precise and masterful as well as instrumentation that is harsh, wild or agressive, depending on what serves the particular song.

By the way, I also did not say that I only like rock music. I enjoy many genres of music, including classical. I just don't like phony pap, regardless of style. That's what's wrong with Bo Bice and American Idol in general. There's nothing genuine there.

p.s. I also like Velvet Revolver.

 

[homonger]

I just don't like phony pap, regardless of style. That's what's wrong with Bo Bice and American Idol in general. There's nothing genuine there.

At the risk of sounding exclusionary, this thread is a fun little diversion for the handful of us on this board who enjoy AI. I couldn't care less if someone thinks AI is idiotic, and that there is no one worth watching on it. But I don't understand why someone with such obvious disdain for a TV program would bother posting on a thread about it. To repeat myself from elsewhere, when I see there is a topic being talked about on this board that I have no interest in, I simply don't view it.

That said, I think both bud and den have some valid points. My viewpoint is, it's a freaking TV show. And let's not forget, it's a reality TV show at that. I don't think anyone who wins this show is going to change the face of rock, or for that matter, even popular music. I probably wouldn't buy any CD recorded by any of the contestants. But it is an entertaining, pleasant little show, and I enjoy watching popstar wannabes sing their little hearts out in pursuit of the brass ring of a recording contract. That's all it is. Let's not make it more or less than what it is.

 

[Bud Plug]

At the risk of sounding exclusionary, this thread is a fun little diversion for the handful of us on this board who enjoy AI. I couldn't care less if someone thinks AI is idiotic, and that there is no one worth watching on it. But I don't understand why someone with such obvious disdain for a TV program would bother posting on a thread about it. To repeat myself from elsewhere, when I see there is a topic being talked about on this board that I have no interest in, I simply don't view it.

Well, I don't really disagree with you, and I certainly don't expect any AI fans to stop watching the show because of my posts.

What got me to post is the unique hype around Bo Bice. I agree with you, AI is a piece of fluff and everyone is welcome to enjoy it on that level if they want. However, Bo Bice fans are trying to claim that he's different, that he's "the real deal", that his presence "legitimizes" the show so that it's no longer just a piece of Hollywood sizzle. Because of that hype, I actually watched the show, when otherwise I wouldn't have. I was curious. Could a genuine rock performer have actually made it onto this show? And when I watched, I saw that the hype was just that. He was no different than the other contestants.

If AI fans like yourself are content to watch the show and don't care that whole thing is phony, that's OK with me. I've got no problem with pro wrestling either. I'm just responding to the notion that Bice is something different.

Having said all of that, it does trouble me a little bit that so many people (and based on your comments, I am not including you in this) would rather reward an imitation artist with their audience/money/attention than a real working performer. I have so many friends in the TO music community who are very talented, entertaining, and genuine who can't draw flies to their shows, but millions will watch and pay money to the world's most famous Karaoke singers.

 

[wildchilds]

For the record, I would love to hear Bo Bice sing Mississippi Queen...the song seems like it was written for him.
DW

No way the song was written by Mountain for Mountain thats why it rocks, Bo Bice singing it would sound just like any other garage band rocker doing a sloppy cover of an original

 

[homonger]

However, Bo Bice fans are trying to claim that he's different, that he's "the real deal", that his presence "legitimizes" the show so that it's no longer just a piece of Hollywood sizzle. Because of that hype, I actually watched the show, when otherwise I wouldn't have. I was curious. Could a genuine rock performer have actually made it onto this show? And when I watched, I saw that the hype was just that. He was no different than the other contestants.

Agree with you for the most part... I guess it is a little silly that so much is made of so and so AI contestant being a "rocker", or a "country girl", or last year, a "crooner". The show is about finding a commercially viable pop singer, and anyone who goes on the show needs to shape themselves into that mold, regardless of whatever preconceived style they think they have going into it.

 

[Spode]

If you guys don't stop arguing I will posted pictures of Penii in this thread. Oh sure Rusty will like it, but let's just all get along.