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This is a very interesting article on American justice, and it isn't about Paris Hilton. What it describes, teenagers being sent to the slammer for minor transgressions, surely cannot be good for the US. On the contrary, I think it is costing American society big time.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060907C.shtml

School to Prison Pipeline
By Bob Herbert
The New York Times

Saturday 09 June 2007

The latest news-as-entertainment spectacular is the Paris Hilton criminal justice fiasco. She's in! She's out! She's - whatever.

Far more disturbing (and much less entertaining) is the way school officials and the criminal justice system are criminalizing children and teenagers all over the country, arresting them and throwing them in jail for behavior that in years past would never have led to the intervention of law enforcement.

This is an aspect of the justice system that is seldom seen. But the consequences of ushering young people into the bowels of police precincts and jail cells without a good reason for doing so are profound.

Two months ago I wrote about a 6-year-old girl in Florida who was handcuffed by the police and taken off to the county jail after she threw a tantrum in her kindergarten class.

Police in Brooklyn recently arrested more than 30 young people, ages 13 to 22, as they walked toward a subway station, on their way to a wake for a teenage friend who had been murdered. No evidence has been presented that the grieving young people had misbehaved. No drugs or weapons were found. But they were accused by the police of gathering unlawfully and of disorderly conduct.


In March, police in Baltimore handcuffed a 7-year-old boy and took him into custody for riding a dirt bike on the sidewalk. The boy tearfully told The Baltimore Examiner, "They scared me." Mayor Sheila Dixon later apologized for the arrest.

Children, including some who are emotionally disturbed, are often arrested for acting out. Some are arrested for carrying sharp instruments that they had planned to use in art classes, and for mouthing off.

This is a problem that has gotten out of control. Behavior that was once considered a normal part of growing up is now resulting in arrest and incarceration.

Kids who find themselves caught in this unnecessary tour of the criminal justice system very quickly develop malignant attitudes toward law enforcement. Many drop out - or are forced out - of school. In the worst cases, the experience serves as an introductory course in behavior that is, in fact, criminal.

There is a big difference between a child or teenager who brings a gun to school or commits some other serious offense and someone who swears at another student or gets into a wrestling match or a fistfight in the playground. Increasingly, especially as zero-tolerance policies proliferate, children are being treated like criminals for the most minor offenses.

There should be no obligation to call the police if a couple of kids get into a fight and teachers are able to bring it under control. But now, in many cases, youngsters caught fighting are arrested and charged with assault.

A 2006 report on disciplinary practices in Florida schools showed that a middle school student in Palm Beach County who was caught throwing rocks at a soda can was arrested and charged with a felony - hurling a "deadly missile."

We need to get a grip.

The Racial Justice Program at the American Civil Liberties Union has been studying this issue. "What we see routinely," said Dennis Parker, the program's director, "is that behavior that in my time would have resulted in a trip to the principal's office is now resulting in a trip to the police station."

He added that the evidence seems to show that white kids are significantly less likely to be arrested for minor infractions than black or Latino kids. The 6-year-old arrested in Florida was black. The 7-year-old arrested in Baltimore was black.

Shaquanda Cotton was black. She was the 14-year-old high school freshman in Paris, Tex., who was arrested for shoving a hall monitor. She was convicted in March 2006 of "assault on a public servant" and sentenced to a prison term of - hold your breath - up to seven years!


Shaquanda's outraged family noted that the judge who sentenced her had, just three months earlier, sentenced a 14-year-old white girl who was convicted of arson for burning down her family's home. The white girl was given probation.

Shaquanda was recently released after a public outcry over her case and the eruption of a scandal involving allegations of widespread sexual abuse of incarcerated juveniles in Texas.

This issue deserves much more attention. Sending young people into the criminal justice system unnecessarily is a brutal form of abuse with consequences, for the child and for society as a whole, that can last a lifetime.
 

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DonQuixote said:
She's luck she didn't get the special treatment.
Extreme rendition to Gitmo. :cool:

Seriously. There's a shortage of juvenile detention
facilities in Cuyahoga County [Cleveland] Ohio. So
they're being charged as adults with felonies. More
cell space. The felony convictions kinda screw up
the rest of their lives. But, who cares?
I care. I suggest if they are over 18, we create a Christian Girls Canoe program in Northern BC wilderness. You can organize the soul stuff and I will teach them to hunt and fish and survive. It could be fun.
 

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How outraged would you be if your six year old was so out of control that her teacher had to call the police......

Well, not Lateshia....

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Saturday, March 31. 2007
A 6 yr old girl is arrested, handcuffed for hitting teacher


AVON PARK, Fla. -- Police arrested a 6-year-old Florida girl. Then, they handcuffed her when she acted out in class. According to police, Desre'e Watson, a student in kindergarten at Avon Elementary School in Highlands County, had a violent encounter with a teacher on Thursday.

"I was scared," the little girl said.

Police claim the little girl got angry and began kicking and scratching. She hit a teacher attempting to intervene during the disturbance.

However, the girl's mother doesn't believe the story.

"She never fell out. She is very respectful. If I tell her to do anything, she will do it," Lateshia Wilson said.

School officials say they were forced to call the police. They cuffed the child and placed her in a police cruiser. The little girl's mother is angry. She said her daughter is usually very respectful.

"I was very upset about it and feel they violated my baby's rights," Wilson said.

The chief of police said his officers did the right thing.

"When there is an outburst of violence, we have a duty to protect and ensure a safe school environment for the students, staff and faculty. That's why, at this point, the person was arrested regardless of age," said Chief Frank Mercurio, Avon Park Police Department.

The kindergartner was taken and booked in the Highland County jail. She was charged with a felony and two misdemeanors.



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onthebottom said:
How outraged would you be if your six year old was so out of control that her teacher had to call the police......

Well, not Lateshia....

OTB

Saturday, March 31. 2007
A 6 yr old girl is arrested, handcuffed for hitting teacher


AVON PARK, Fla. -- Police arrested a 6-year-old Florida girl. Then, they handcuffed her when she acted out in class. According to police, Desre'e Watson, a student in kindergarten at Avon Elementary School in Highlands County, had a violent encounter with a teacher on Thursday.

"I was scared," the little girl said.

Police claim the little girl got angry and began kicking and scratching. She hit a teacher attempting to intervene during the disturbance.

However, the girl's mother doesn't believe the story.

"She never fell out. She is very respectful. If I tell her to do anything, she will do it," Lateshia Wilson said.

School officials say they were forced to call the police. They cuffed the child and placed her in a police cruiser. The little girl's mother is angry. She said her daughter is usually very respectful.

"I was very upset about it and feel they violated my baby's rights," Wilson said.

The chief of police said his officers did the right thing.

"When there is an outburst of violence, we have a duty to protect and ensure a safe school environment for the students, staff and faculty. That's why, at this point, the person was arrested regardless of age," said Chief Frank Mercurio, Avon Park Police Department.

The kindergartner was taken and booked in the Highland County jail. She was charged with a felony and two misdemeanors.



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wow...I have no words...
 

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When a society solves all its social problems
with the police and the courts I'd conclude
the legal system is broke. And its not the
judges, lawyers or police. Its the inability
of a society to sustain itself and maintain
its civility.

Don't blame the legal system when the
society is totally disfunctional. I've been
coming to this conclusion for a while.
I agree with this, if you're looking for why a 6 yr old would be so out of control that the police have to be called I think you have to look towards Lateshia in this case.....

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How many of us can remember an incident anything like this when we were in school? If a child "acted up" it was usually a quick, physical retort and that was the end of it. Teachers today dare not do that or they will be the one being taken away in cuffs.
 

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Can't handle a 6 years old?

Please... are the cops 12 years old?? and the teachers - fcs it's not lion taming here!

That's just sad and pathetic, moreover when you see a cop handcuffing the girl.
 

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dcbogey said:
How many of us can remember an incident anything like this when we were in school? If a child "acted up" it was usually a quick, physical retort and that was the end of it. Teachers today dare not do that or they will be the one being taken away in cuffs.
I have a couple of friends who teach in school situations most of us would not recognize. Students that come to school hungry and distracted by whats going on at home, parents who can't be bothered with the education of their children, a complete lack of respect for teachers and parents that side with their poor performing children in disputes with teachers......

One of my friends, a petite woman, had to stop teaching 5th grade because some of her students (the girls) were bigger than she was and they would get physical when confronted.... 5th grade!

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osanowo said:
Can't handle a 6 years old?

Please... are the cops 12 years old?? and the teachers - fcs it's not lion taming here!

That's just sad and pathetic, moreover when you see a cop handcuffing the girl.
That is my reaction. How much trouble can a six year old be to control no matter how out of control they are?
 

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onthebottom said:
I have a couple of friends who teach in school situations most of us would not recognize. Students that come to school hungry and distracted by whats going on at home, parents who can't be bothered with the education of their children, a complete lack of respect for teachers and parents that side with their poor performing children in disputes with teachers......

One of my friends, a petite woman, had to stop teaching 5th grade because some of her students (the girls) were bigger than she was and they would get physical when confronted.... 5th grade!

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I truly feel for the teachers these days. My point was that even a child in kindergarten knows that if a teacher lays a hand on them, the child can scream abuse and look out. The parental influnece, or lack thereof, cannot be understated. In my senior year of highschool, at least have the classs was bigger then the teachers but never once did I see a student raise a hsnd to a teacher. If someone had, two things would have happened - the kids parents would have "taken care" of things or we would have. Respect comesw from within and anyone that didn't understand was shown the light.
 

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someone said:
That is my reaction. How much trouble can a six year old be to control no matter how out of control they are?
So the teacher grabs the brat to control her and the kid tells her parents that the teacher "hurt" her - can you see the rest of the story? Teachers today are afraid to hug a kid how does well in something, what does that tell you?
 

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DonQuixote said:
A 6 yr old. Give me a break.
That argument is so weak.

Ever hear of pre-school classes?
If the system has early education
programs the results are supported
by the pragmatic results. Positive.

If you have a disfunctional school system
you will get garbage in, garbage out. Maybe
the college teachers teaching education
classes were totally irrelevant.

I always challenge the top of the command
structure and not the lowest level, a 6 yr
old.

There are plenty of adults out there to take
blame for a flawed system. The parents are
at fault, but they're not solely at fault.
I think it's 90% parents.....

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DonQuixote said:
Maybe the college teachers teaching education
classes were totally irrelevant.
I agree with you here. I’ve never meet anyone who has been through teacher’s college that found it to be of any use. Moreover, I’ve had reason to look at some of the research that comes out of education faculties, and I actually think it is so bad as to be funny.

BTW, some of the problems in Ontario can be traced to the people who administer the system. Consider the following (the Globe’s focus section also had a article on this but no free link): http://www.thestar.com/News/article/223488
There is more than enough blame to go around.
 

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DonQuixote said:
I think its 90% society and economy.
You can't have rampant poverty and have
traditional family values. Ohio lost over
200,000 jobs from 00-05. Cuyahoga Cty.
lost 80,000 jobs.

Work gives dignity and respect to a man.
I recall a VietNamese saying: Work is a
gift from the gods. Without jobs you don't
have solid family structure. Without fathers
you have civil chaos.

Give them a job and then we can talk about
parental responsibility. Without food and
shelter democracy is a false promise.
The US has record home ownership, income and low unemployment....

Black males are more likely to go to prison than collage, I don't think that's because of macro economic issues. Is it because over 60% of black babies are born to a single mother out of wedlock?

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someone said:
I agree with you here. I’ve never meet anyone who has been through teacher’s college that found it to be of any use. Moreover, I’ve had reason to look at some of the research that comes out of education faculties, and I actually think it is so bad as to be funny.

BTW, some of the problems in Ontario can be traced to the people who administer the system. Consider the following (the Globe’s focus section also had a article on this but no free link): http://www.thestar.com/News/article/223488
There is more than enough blame to go around.
This would support a view that education isn't what it could be, how does it explain such vast differences in success within the same system.

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onthebottom said:
This would support a view that education isn't what it could be, how does it explain such vast differences in success within the same system.

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I’m not sure which point your responding to. If you’re referring to the link, you have a point. It would be more of an explanation of changes over time. If you’re referring to the fact that no one who attends teacher training programs, feels there is much value added, it might explain part of the problem. E.g. students who are both good and have parents who value education will do well anyway, and those more depended on quality of teachers fall further behind. However, I’m just speculating here but I would think that students who start out behind are more in need of good teachers to do well. Come to think of it, this point could also apply to the link.
 

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I think its 90% society and economy.
You can't have rampant poverty and have
traditional family values. Ohio lost over
200,000 jobs from 00-05. Cuyahoga Cty.
lost 80,000 jobs.

Work gives dignity and respect to a man.
I recall a VietNamese saying: Work is a
gift from the gods. Without jobs you don't
have solid family structure. Without fathers
you have civil chaos.

Give them a job and then we can talk about
parental responsibility. Without food and
shelter democracy is a false promise.
I beg to disagree. I've been out of a job for a year. And my wife moved out 6 months ago - thank God she left the kids with me. Just because I'm not working, in the traditional sense, doesn't make me feel like less of a man, nor does it give me a free pass in terms of my parental responsibilty. Usually I wouldn't argee with OTB, but in this case it's at least 90% parental responsibility.
 

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DonQuixote said:
Its the economy, stupid.

Not all boats rise with prosperity.
While that's true, I don't think it's the single driving factor you do..... I guess we'll have to disagree.

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DonQuixote said:
You just don't get it. You must be dealing in a void.

If the individual has a duty to be responsible
the society must provide them with the necessities
of life.


If you work you should be able to provide for your kin.
Not in today's economy. Sorry, OTB. Your formula just
doesn't deal with reality, that inescapable essence of being
- survival.

I think you're in the wrong country, we provide the best opportunity in the world, not the best safety net. The death of the middle class is a tad pre-mature.

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DonQuixote said:
Lets get one thing straight. If you are a legal resident,
work 40+ hrs per week, support your family and are
married and have no health care, a working poor by
any standards, and still can't buy your children the
necessities then what's in it for you.

Food stamps provide $21/week. Try feeding your family
at $21/week per person and then give me your rationale.

Remember, I'm not living in a hypothetical community.
Cleveland was last ranked as the poorest city in the US.
Until you are willing to deal with the worse case situation
then get out a premium bottle of wine and go for it.

Really, OTB. You have no idea of what's really going on.
Go read your Economist and Wall Street Journay and at
the end of the day you have a simplistic, cleaver view
of reality.

DQ. Airborne. Fought there, fighting here.
Are there working poor in the US, sure there are, like every other country. What's your point - are you going to draw a correlation between lack of universal health care and poor scores in school. We could have universal health care tomorrow and we'd have the same educational challenges.

The rich economies are going to have a problem, it will be increasingly difficult to live a middle class life without skills.

I'll skip the insults.

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