American justice

[onthebottom]

We never, never had working poor in the US before Reagan.

That's a fact. And if you think we're going to internally
prosper with such economic disparity then you have no
soul. You lack repect for your brothers and sisters who
are legal and American borne. There is a distruction of
the middle class and you're off on some side trip to reality.

You are dealing with a potential explosion and you just
don't give a damn.

Argument through repetition?

What's your solution?

OTB

 

[someone]

We never, never had working poor in the US before Reagan.

Normally, I’m the first to agree that OTB makes very selective use of statistics when it comes to these things. However, I really think that you might want to qualify “never, never”. Forget statistics. Are you really saying that the people John Steinbeck was writing about were not working poor, or O’Henry or any of the other great American writers I, and I’m sure, you could name?

 

[osanowo]

This would support a view that education isn't what it could be, how does it explain such vast differences in success within the same system.

OTB

I'd say that the lack of evolution in human sciences is a real issue here: we all act in circles and without self-analysis we will repeat how we were raised. It just takes one generation to screw the rest of the branch.
Now it's a choice: civilized countries believe they are evolved where they are just giant factories.

Added to that the fact that the North American society has a HUGE social pressure on achievement, salary... etc... Not only making a few bucks makes you the lowest rank but you do feel like shit. The work ethic has its drawbacks.

In Canada, and coming from France, I do realize the level of wages - they are "insane" here, in both ways. People make a lot, above reason, and the extreme opposite as well: some people in the US make so little money.

You believe you are in a virtuous circle but the race will always be too fast for some people. Moreover having these high wages will make your society stretch the middle class and dissolve it. That's to my opinion what is happening in the US and I'll back DQ on that.
The middle class is the shoulders of a society.