An neat puzzle

Gentle Ben

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Take your time and follow the instructions.

It's neat!!!After reading each window, click on the boy in the lower right corner. In the last window, type in your numbers in the white box using the keyboard (there is NO curser). You will be amazed....The answer appears on the boy's T-shirt.



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Cool. Worked for me. And tomorrow, after a nice sleep, and while bored with work, I'll figure out how it works. :p
 

MojoRisin'

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hasnt worked yet for me. Not so impressive and not so much a puzzle as a game really, no? ;)
 

Joey Tribbiani

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I GOT IT!! It's confusing, but I'll try to explain the logic. When you add the four digits together from the sum of the subtracted numbers, it will ALWAYS equal a number that is divisible by 9 (ie: 9, 18, 27, 36, etc.) Therefore, the number that you circle will be the missing number needed to complete the calculation to a number that is divisible by 9.

eg: picked number: 4658
scrambled number: 8564
sum of both number subtacted: 3906
add the numbers 3 + 9 + 0 + 6: 18

*If you circled the number 6 from 3906, then the sum of the added numbers would only be 12. But you still need 6 to make the sum divisible by 9.

If the math is done correctly and the rules are followed, this will always work. I guess I should get back to work now :rolleyes:

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dax

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Cool. Worked for me. And tomorrow, after a nice sleep, and while bored with work, I'll figure out how it works. :p
Two factoids from the "fun with nines" day in grade school math:

The sum of the digits of any number divisible by nine is itself divisible by nine.
Also, when you subtract (from a minuend) a subtrahend which is a permutation of the minuend, the difference is divisible by nine*.

Accordingly, when you've finished the subtraction in the puzzle, you have a number divisible by nine and whose sum of the digits is divisible by nine. What the puzzle does is add up the digits you entered and answers with the missing digit: the number needed to get to the next higher multiple of nine (which is why zeros are disallowed; if the sum of the digits received is already a mutiple of nine, fido wouldn't know if you held back a zero or nine).


*Quicky proof:
Let abcd represent any (four digit in this case) number.
abcd = a(1000) + b(100) + c(10) + d
= a(999 + 1) + b(99+1) c(9+1) + d
= a(999) + a + b(99) + b + c(9) + c + d
= a(999) + b(99) + c(9) + a+b+c+d
Any permutation of abcd can also be expressed the same way with the same "remainder" of a+b+c+d.
When you subtract a permutation of abcd from abcd, the "a+b+c+d" remainder gets canceled, leaving a difference always evenly divisible by nine (i.e., 999 times something plus 99 times something plus 9 times something).
 

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dax said:
Two factoids from the "fun with nines" day in grade school math:

The sum of the digits of any number divisible by nine is itself divisible by nine.
Also, when you subtract (from a minuend) a subtrahend which is a permutation of the minuend, the difference is divisible by nine*.

Accordingly, when you've finished the subtraction in the puzzle, you have a number divisible by nine and whose sum of the digits is divisible by nine. What the puzzle does is add up the digits you entered and answers with the missing digit: the number needed to get to the next higher multiple of nine (which is why zeros are disallowed; if the sum of the digits received is already a mutiple of nine, fido wouldn't know if you held back a zero or nine).


*Quicky proof:
Let abcd represent any (four digit in this case) number.
abcd = a(1000) + b(100) + c(10) + d
= a(999 + 1) + b(99+1) c(9+1) + d
= a(999) + a + b(99) + b + c(9) + c + d
= a(999) + b(99) + c(9) + a+b+c+d
Any permutation of abcd can also be expressed the same way with the same "remainder" of a+b+c+d.
When you subtract a permutation of abcd from abcd, the "a+b+c+d" remainder gets canceled, leaving a difference always evenly divisible by nine (i.e., 999 times something plus 99 times something plus 9 times something).
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Well done Dax.

All of which also indicates that those for whom it didn't work didn't follow the instructions correctly. (Ok, I admit, the instructions are not 100% clear.)
 

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Accounting trick called a transposition error. If the sum of the digits add up to 9, chances are you transposed a number.
 

Kilgore Trout

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The people in this thread who say it didn't get number right for them probably didn't understand instructions or made subtraction error.

If it did not work tell us what your first number was what second number was, what your subtracted net number is.
Then your new jumble and number taken out. I'll believe it didn't work for someone when I see it myself.
It correctly guesses my number every time.

Anybody who can beat puzzle by getting it to guess wrong prove it by telling us what your numbers were.
 
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